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I think we are more than a half back short Chris but i take the point that a good 6 would help the team if they get the ball when and how they want it. There is no point signing a Hastings or Maloney and then having them set a play up only for Dwyer to run across the park 15 yards like a headless chicken or put a kick in for himself.

We badly need a 9 to go with a pair of halves really to make us a half decent team.

We will have a lot of cap space available at the end of the season to bring in quality players but it has to be quality because these are key positions in any team.

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Three out of four years near the bottom without a decent halfback. One year with one won the comp. Not the only issue but that speaks volumes.

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "I think we are more than a half back short Chris but i take the point that a good 6 would help the team if they get the ball when and how they want it. There is no point signing a Hastings or Maloney and then having them set a play up only for Dwyer to run across the park 15 yards like a headless chicken or put a kick in for himself.

We badly need a 9 to go with a pair of halves really to make us a half decent team.

We will have a lot of cap space available at the end of the season to bring in quality players but it has to be quality because these are key positions in any team.'"


I personally would keep Parcell, I think he’s the best hooker at the club but it looks like he’s gone.

I like Dwyer but only as an impact player, I do think that were only a fe players from being a decent team though, I think We’ve seemn a fair bit of improvement since Furner has gone its not really translated into wins though but I think it will, we seem to have gone back to basics a bit, which I’m fine with the issue is our halves aren’t capable of doing the basics, I would as I say go all out to get hastings in for this season barring that I would give mcclelland a go alongside Myler, as poor as Myler has been we have actually looked much worse without him.

What is frustrating is we actually have 2 of the best centres in the league but they are getting terrible service, Newman IMO is a star in the making but he’s getting poor ball and he’s constantly trying to make something out of nothing, which In fairness he’s doing.

If we don’t get another half back for this season and this may be unpopular I would actually play Tui at 6 as he was signed to be, he has got a great passing game and he won’t be as exposed as at full back, if Walker continues to be injured give Golding a go

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I realise Ive totally contradicted myself in the post above regarding the halfbacks, I blame the Brandy ive just had

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I agree with a lot of what you say Chris. Parcell is a better 9 than Dwyer but hes not doing it and for quota player to be playing 20 mins a week when available its not good enough.

The one thing I disagree is on Tui, who has more ability than people give him credit but he cant defend and therefore cant play 6 and his kicking game is as poor as the rest.

There has been a big improvement in spirit and effort since Furner left which is why tonight has left more frustrated than other performances.

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That was so frustrating its yet again highlighted how desperate we are for HB's.
It's also sickening seeing the lads bust their guts out only for Myler Sutty or Lolohea waste it.
I've also had it with the Agar experiment yes spirit & effort has improved but those are what any pro Team should have irrespective of Coach.
Ferres yet again gets picked cheap penalties & brings nothing else.
Merrin Ava & Newman were my top 3 oh & how Kendall can be classed as a FT Pro Official shows you exactly how poor that part of the sport is at the moment.

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I usually defend Myler but he was absolutely dire tonight, not a Singleton fan either but he was better tonight. Everyone raves about Dwyer but he runs around like a headless chicken far too often, give me Parcell anytime .

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Might we need to replace Parcel to free up a quota spot? If that's what it takes to get a halfback sobeit.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "That was so frustrating its yet again highlighted how desperate we are for HB's.
It's also sickening seeing the lads bust their guts out only for Myler Sutty or Lolohea waste it.
I've also had it with the Agar experiment yes spirit & effort has improved but those are what any pro Team should have irrespective of Coach.
Ferres yet again gets picked cheap penalties & brings nothing else.
Merrin Ava & Newman were my top 3 oh & how Kendall can be classed as a FT Pro Official shows you exactly how poor that part of the sport is at the moment.'"


Thought Newman went backwards last night. Not a bad thing as needs to learn, and will do. Definitely top three were. Merrin, Singleton (yes Singleton, best game in a long long time), and Ava.

Also, I don’t want Agar, but give the guy some credit. He has definitely done what was asked of him, and got the team playing together at least and showing some desire. I really couldn’t have seen any other coaching appointment have improved on that with how we were. Now we have that, we need the next step.

At least we got ourselves in good positions in that second half. First half I actually thought for the most part we would never score a try. Defensively for the most part we were strong.

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Quote: Gotcha "Thought Newman went backwards last night. Not a bad thing as needs to learn, and will do. Definitely top three were. Merrin, Singleton (yes Singleton, best game in a long long time), and Ava.

Also, I don’t want Agar, but give the guy some credit. He has definitely done what was asked of him, and got the team playing together at least and showing some desire. I really couldn’t have seen any other coaching appointment have improved on that with how we were. Now we have that, we need the next step.

At least we got ourselves in good positions in that second half. First half I actually thought for the most part we would never score a try. Defensively for the most part we were strong.'"
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Kendalls the worst official in superleague and imo he has a clear bias against Leeds. In 30 years of supporting Leeds iv thought a lot of refs have been useless, but iv never once thought one was bias, i do with Kendall, every single time he refs us. I know its not the popular thing to say, but thats how i feel.

Having said that, we have got some of the worst players iv ever seen play for Leeds in this squad, 2 of which are our starting halfs, they are without doubt the worst halfback pairing in superleague and would be middle of the pack in the championship, disgraceful effort from both again last night. Our spine last night was Dwyer, Myler, Suttcliffe and Lolohea...Thats why we lost. Add in Ferres who is by far the worst player in superleague imo, whos every contribution hurts the team, we are exactly where we deserve to be, a very real relegation scrap.

Thought Ava and Trent were both very good again, Singleton went well aswel. Hurrell gets used like the big kid in u12's, we really need to use him better, his ball security is a massive issue when he's chugging it up into traffic in our own half, good ball in the right areas and he'l terrorize teams, again though, our halfbacks wouldnt know good ball if they fell over it.

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Thing is we are almost in the top 5 shows how poor the league is at the moment bar saints and wire not the sort of season I'd expect as a wigan fan and same for you lot I guess

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "If ever there was a game that showed how desperately we need a 6, 7 and 9 it was tonight.

Thought Merrin was spectacular as usual, proper forward, Big Ava ran well and Cuthbo did ok off the bench. The pack have a right to be disappointed tonight with our poor our halves was. Really poor.

Having said that there was too many errors and too many penalties to win a winnable game.

The priorities have be a new number 9 and 2 halves. You cant bring a new half in and expect him to be able to do the job with Dwyer at 9 it's impossible for any half. I'm sorry.

Is there really any quality halves available at this time of year anyway? I suspect not really.

Really frustrated with that tonight. The effort and endeavour was there for all to see and the game was there to be taken and we didnt get the job done. Just not good enough this team right now.'"


Absolutely agree. Put two good halves in the team of ours last night we win by plenty

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The player that disappoints me is Cameron Smith - this would be an ideal opportunity to stick your hand up and really show what he is made of. All we are getting is minimal contribution at a pretty low performance level. It would appear that all the hype was misplaced and like his brother he will be yet another journeyman. Something is wrong in the development of talented youngsters at Leeds.

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I agree with a few on here re Dwyer plenty of effort but runs around like a headless chicken too often. Hes a decent impact hooker but we need better long term.

I lost count of the bad kicks myler put in near opponents line.. the kid is shot to pieces.

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