Is there a third Briscoe brother parading around SL who has gone under my radar?

and again you are wrong he is still a better player and if fit should be picked over Makinson, makinson may well get the other wing spot over mcgilvery but hall. should and would have got the other.

Makinson, Johnstone and the other contenders for the wing spots have still to prove themselves as international wings against the big two and its a hell of a big step to make. Its one thing running in 30 tries against SL oppo and an entirely different proposition when you step to that level and the space and chances are drastically reduced. You may only get one half chance a match and are also expected to be solid in all defensive aspects as well as aiding your pack bringing the ball back. It wasn't that long ago Charnley was ripping up SL, got his chance and looked woefully short at the highest level.

For me, if fit JM and RH are still clear picks for the wings for England although it's nice to have others chomping at the bit.

if the likes of Adam Milner and reece Lynd are considered international class, then even luke briscoe can consider himself in with a chance. but then again the like of Mike Forshaw Paul Johnson had long international careers under David (Iestyn Harris is overrated) Waite and Brian (talent is overrated) Noble

I despair sometimes. Fully agree on personal opinions, and of course there is always one season wonders. Adam Milner for example has been the best loose forward in Super League, bar absolutely nobody, for the past two seasons on the trot, which shows a consistency and deserving of a pick.

I'll go with Gotcha's view, if only for the sake of improving a winger for the next few years. If a World Cup was imminent I'd go with Hall.

SOL when fit is the best 13 in the comp and has been for a fair few years and that is exactly why he is still england 13 and captain. Milner should be in the squad no arguments.

But Gotcha's view was that Hall wouldn't be a pick for him even if fit.

Like you say, it will be good to see other wingers attempt to step up, although i see both JM and Hall capable of being first choices for the next couple of years at least both are 30 and the end is not that far away.

No my view is we need to move on and prepare for the future, and that basis should be on picking on form, and that Makinson has shown a consistency of top form to deserve that pick. He has been better than Hall, on form, not based on previous years or previous internationals.

Hall before he was injured was playing as well as ever, sadly in a team going backwards but he wasn't looking like he was declining or didn't still deserve to be playing internationals anymore. He holds that wing spot with an iron grip for me at the minute but The fact he is injured, i agree its nice to see others get a shot this winter to see if they have what it takes to take over when Hall calls it a day or declines so much he is over taken. As i said, SL form can only be taken so far into account, internationals are a different game entirely and only a very select few can make the step.

But surely you need a chance at international to show you can do it before people saying they are not up to it? You earlier talked about finishing, but there is no better finisher on the wing in Super League than Makinson. I give you the issue in yardage in general, but not all teams use that tactic for wingers.

I’d say Greg Eden is a better finisher, not that I’d want him on the wing for England.