Whoosh

But are the others comparable to the coach peeing about for a month coaching the USA team without a proper assistant back home to fill in?

William can you please give us a full update on the excuses now as i am losing count

Indeed, and if SPOTY and the Treble effected a mindset of unconscious complacency at the club according to the usual suspects of the excuse industry proclaim, then surely the Big-Noting, High-Fiving, Aren't-We-Ace, Leeds Arena Gig must have contributed to that too?

Like you, I believe the issues lie elsewhere.

I'll have a go. Not sure I can remember them all though. Some of them are related.

1. SPOTY
2. The Kiwis
3. The Treble
4. A mindset of unconscious complacency
5. November floods
6. The loss of world class sports science facilities
7. Silverwood

Definitely not the Big-Noting, High-Fiving, Aren't-We-Ace Leeds Arena Gig though.

Only morons would cite that as an excuse

Boxing Day floods not November

We can all be pedantic.

Without all that November rainfall and flooding, Boxing Day floods in Leeds wouldn't have occurred.

Aye, we wouldn't have fallen short in all 3 comps last year if we had an assistant.....oh wait. And he wasn't there for a month, a couple of weeks like he would do if he was on a holiday anyway.

I see William the puppeteer has himself a few puppets on the go. We all expect it of Sal and his constant brown nosing but seems you've taken some criticism on the previous page badly.....the irony being that you criticise the club for having "yes" men in it, however can't handle someone not agreeing with you yourself.

It's not pedantic it is fact. If the flood had occurred in November it would have a lesser impact on the pre season training. As it happened end of a December and into January had a much greater impact on training. It must have had a large impact on training which could have explained we looked a little under cooked early doors. It shouldn't have any effect now but certainly first few games would impact us

I'm with Gotcha on this one (not often I say that), the performances we've be subjected to this season have been woeful.

I don't think I've seen such a run of pish-poor, can't be ar[size=100s[/sizeed, half-hearted outings in many a year, at least not this century.

Shizer defence coupled with clueless attack and 'here we go again' attitude is leaving me feeling a little short-changed TBH. I know what this team can do and what they are capable of, so when we get subjected to the tripe that's currently getting served up I'm left feeling cheated.

It's like going to see The Rolling Stones and all they do is B-sides and album tracks... you're stood at the back shouting "do Start me Up".

Come on Leeds, let's hear "Satisfaction" and not "Always Suffering".

Criticism? Don't see any, want to show where?

Last year we had Sinfield and Peacock, whom the coach has often repeated did the training. But guess what they are not here any more, you do know that?

So, as I can not tell if you are serious or just been defensive, are you suggesting that SPOTY and the Kiwi game from the end of last season, have had an influence on our poor run, but you don't think the only coach thousands of miles away in preseason leaving the team without a right hand man to train, is an influence?

Did he repeatedly say it, or did he say it at the end of the year that they did in the last few weeks?



Both Plume and Eaton were here and they assist McDermott, hence assistant coaches and capable of training the few players who were back at that point (a lot of senior players still off after extending their season by a couple of weeks)