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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"I am totally at a loss to see what Robbie Ward or Lilley has done at this level to suggest they have what it takes to deliver a performance required to win a LLS or GF.
Mac is totally correct to go with players who have proven they can lift to the intensity required. Injuries aside Lilley, Ward and Walters should be running the kicking tee at best as this point.'"
Didn't rookie Ryan Hall get his first GF winner's medal after coming in for Lee Smith to cover Webb's back injury? Or would it have been better to have played JJB there?
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"Didn't rookie Ryan Hall get his first GF winner's medal after coming in for Lee Smith to cover Webb's back injury? Or would it have been better to have played JJB there?'"
Ah the Wisdom of hindsight!
Totally not the same, Sinfield has played Hooker for England and arguably played his best.
I don't recall JJB being a winger.
Playing at 9 right in the middle is totally different from playing on the fringe.
I'm gonna stick my head on the bloke and say Ward will not be arguable the best hooker of his generation or Lilley the best half. If it happens you can pan me for the next 10 years.
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| Burrow needs to play if fit. Either he goes to 7 and Sinny at 9 or vice versa. You can get away with not playing a 6 against Hull KR, but Saints and Catalans worked us out. If Watkins is out then Briscoe needs to play centre with Handley outside him. Ablett, Ward and Delaney is the best back row we have. Keep them in the back row!
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"Didn't rookie Ryan Hall get his first GF winner's medal after coming in for Lee Smith to cover Webb's back injury? Or would it have been better to have played JJB there?'"
Yes but as has been pointed out its about the defending in the middle. McDermott put Handley in and put the likes of Duckworth and Minns in other times. He's been more than happy to play Stevie Ward at 2nd row when he's been fit over the year even when he looked to small to do the role asked of him and has played the likes of Keinhorst and Walters at 2nd.
However you think of Singleton having to bide his time for a few years, Mulhern now. McShane, Hood and Robbie Ward at hooker. It's surely the issue of whether they can hold their own physically in the middle when defending.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"I am totally at a loss to see what Robbie Ward or Lilley has done at this level to suggest they have what it takes to deliver a performance required to win a LLS or GF.
Mac is totally correct to go with players who have proven they can lift to the intensity required. Injuries aside Lilley, Ward and Walters should be running the kicking tee at best as this point.'"
Just wondering what your 17 would be if Burrow, Watkins, Aiton, Sutcliffe, JJB, Keinhorst are all injured.
I agree that those payers are not ideal to be in the squad at this time of year, but I think we're a bit stuck on selection. I think Sinfield at hooker with one half back is way less affective than squad member at hooker with Sinfield and McGuire in the halves.
I know you said injuries aside but I'd just be interested to know what you'd play with the squad we have available
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Yes but as has been pointed out its about the defending in the middle. McDermott put Handley in and put the likes of Duckworth and Minns in other times. He's been more than happy to play Stevie Ward at 2nd row when he's been fit over the year even when he looked to small to do the role asked of him and has played the likes of Keinhorst and Walters at 2nd.
However you think of Singleton having to bide his time for a few years, Mulhern now. McShane, Hood and Robbie Ward at hooker. It's surely the issue of whether they can hold their own physically in the middle when defending.'"
I would say these days Sinfield struggles in the middle - Saints exposed him twice in one move. Didn't he ask to be moved into the halves because he didn't want the tackling work of a forward? Hooker is the most demanding physical role in the team so why everyone is suddenly saying he is as good as a specialist hooker is beyond me.
The less said about his ponderous distribution the better. Stevie Wonder can see playing Sinfield at hooker is not working now the intensity has ramped up a bit. He is a quality half back/organiser the most important player in the team in that role moving him to hooker causes too much disruption. Just because McDermott picks him there doesn't make it right - everyone makes mistakes including the coach.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"I would say these days Sinfield struggles in the middle - Saints exposed him twice in one move. Didn't he ask to be moved into the halves because he didn't want the tackling work of a forward? Hooker is the most demanding physical role in the team so why everyone is suddenly saying he is as good as a specialist hooker is beyond me.
The less said about his ponderous distribution the better. Stevie Wonder can see playing Sinfield at hooker is not working now the intensity has ramped up a bit. He is a quality half back/organiser the most important player in the team in that role moving him to hooker causes too much disruption. Just because McDermott picks him there doesn't make it right - everyone makes mistakes including the coach.'"
Sinfield isn't defending at hooker though. Cuthbertson is. Might add that Sinfield was arguably our best player in the wind vs Wigan and Hull. Like I said before, it he played there and we had two halves , say McGuire and Sutcliffe it would be fine. If Aiton was playing with only McGuire in the halves I doubt it'd great as well.
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| Quote Joshheff90="Joshheff90"Just wondering what your 17 would be if Burrow, Watkins, Aiton, Sutcliffe, JJB, Keinhorst are all injured.
I agree that those payers are not ideal to be in the squad at this time of year, but I think we're a bit stuck on selection. I think Sinfield at hooker with one half back is way less affective than squad member at hooker with Sinfield and McGuire in the halves.
I know you said injuries aside but I'd just be interested to know what you'd play with the squad we have available'"
I'm not into naming fantasy 17's. Is it confirmed Watkins, Burrow and Keinhorst are injured?
I recon you pick your best 17 players. Injury will always play a part at this time of the year.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"I am totally at a loss to see what Robbie Ward or Lilley has done at this level to suggest they have what it takes to deliver a performance required to win a LLS or GF.'"
With all due respect, and I mean that because you are entitled to voice an opinion, but you are in Australia are you not? so unless you have been popping over for weekends, I think I am correct to assume you have seen neither player in the Championship? you have seen neither player in the Under 19's? and all you have seen is where our matches are shown live, which probably would not have included the Hull game?
So don't you think, and I did say no disrespect intended, you are near the bottom of the list for judging the two players in question at this stage? I am not saying you are wrong by the way, just that I fail to see how you can confidently make that statement.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Sinfield isn't defending at hooker though. Cuthbertson is. Might add that Sinfield was arguably our best player in the wind vs Wigan and Hull. Like I said before, it he played there and we had two halves , say McGuire and Sutcliffe it would be fine. If Aiton was playing with only McGuire in the halves I doubt it'd great as well.'"
Sinfield is still defending in the forwards and has looked less than solid as Saints and Sigismeau showed.
Playing Sinfield at 9 is a mistake - he is far too slow, ponderous and predictable. He doesn't present an attacking threat in that position. If Aiton was playing and McGuire it would be better - not ideal - because both players are in their natural positions and obviously Aiton is step above Sinfield in that position.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"With all due respect, and I mean that because you are entitled to voice an opinion, but you are in Australia are you not? so unless you have been popping over for weekends, I think I am correct to assume you have seen neither player in the Championship? you have seen neither player in the Under 19's? and all you have seen is where our matches are shown live, which probably would not have included the Hull game?
So don't you think, and I did say no disrespect intended, you are near the bottom of the list for judging the two players in question at this stage? I am not saying you are wrong by the way, just that I fail to see how you can confidently make that statement.'"
Saw the Hull game. Seen Lilley and Ward in the first team. That's what I'm basing my opinion on. I would think the 19's and Hunslet would not tell you much about how they will go in the play offs. You can rank my opinion how you like.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Sinfield is still defending in the forwards and has looked less than solid as Saints and Sigismeau showed.
Playing Sinfield at 9 is a mistake - he is far too slow, ponderous and predictable. He doesn't present an attacking threat in that position. If Aiton was playing and McGuire it would be better - not ideal - because both players are in their natural positions and obviously Aiton is step above Sinfield in that position.'"
Sinfield is defending where he normally defends, around 3 man in from the right. Digits mean showed Singield a clean pair of heels, hardly the most shocking or breaking news to realise Sinfield isn't the fastest.
And whilst yes he has looked less solid in defence the last two weeks I say the same could be said for the team in general. Aiton and McGuire with no other HB might be "better" but it would exactly be ideal either or successful.
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