I think their fans will.



Have they given up trying to make the Top 8? No they haven't, therefore they're competiting in the system correctly. That was you gripe wasn't it....about every minute mattering?



True they are, but it doesn't matter what system you have, when for example Warrington can go from the exciting team they had in 2011 to the frustrating one they have now in 2015. Wakey as mentioned before might as well have told their fans not to bother showing up until August. Also you don't just click your fingers and fans reappear just like that. Like anything it'll take time to see results.

I would be very confident in saying Wakefield's fans would happily take all the losses and performances this year as long is it meant they stayed up.

Well if Salford haven't given up on the top 8. They need their heads checking.

There are far more parts to a successful system than gaining enough cheerleaders to convince you of some vague concept of 'mattering'. Leeds v Wigan matters whether leeds are top or bottom or mid table. We don't need this fake importance shoehorned in to an unfair and unsporting system put in place because marketing is hard and this is easy.

It's a stupid system whose faults were apparent to start with and have now become real and your just ignore it and blame someone else argument isn't very convincing.

I'm steadfastly against the merger of Hull and Hull KRs academies, but its a bit harsh to say they've given up on it, I think it's just an ill thought out idea.

Hull had the same number of academy products in their team as Wigan did last week (2 less than your guys). The under 19's also destroyed yours despite missing some key players.

Don't make things up just to suit your argument.

It's much better than your lame "the whole system is rubbish based on how Wakefield have performed" nonsense.

If you're producing superstars, you don't share them with your rivals.

I think the system on the whole has been decent so far.Much more intersting than the previous tedium of awarding mediocrity top 8 play off system and the new top four play offs is far better imo.Obviously there are going to be teething problems,Wakeys mid season surrender a case in point, and we will probably come accross a few more in the last 3rd of the season but its nothing that can't be looked at again by the RFL and tinkered with and improved upon.We will see but I've enjoyed this season far more so far than the last few.We will see how the rest of the year pans out.

its not based on how Wakefield have performed. It would still be a rubbish system even if Wakefield were playing like Queensland

Good to see its not led to the game reverting to rubbish over-seas panic signings like Nielson, Chisholm, and Sio too.

We're not really. All the players already in the system are ring fenced.

As I said, I don't like the idea and don't think it will work. But it's not a case of either side giving up.

its obvious we needed to move to 12 teams, we just can't sustain 14 and you can't go top 8 in a 12 team comp.

But for all the complaints about teams coasting, its far easier to win this comp from 4th than the last one was.

You are sharing what would come next.

Look if both Hulls had come out and said, we think we can get more by clubbing together, benefiting from economies of scale, sharing best practice, having a larger pool, and working together instead of against each other, Id actually support it. Id think it was forward thinking and pretty altruistic.

But they haven't, they have explained their reasons behind it. Its too hard to increase the player pool and it costs money. So they have given up doing the difficult thing and done the easy thing.

Yet your first few posts on this thread were all about how Wakefield performed to try prove the system is poor.



Why? Because finishing spots are more important?



Yes because HKR was always about the youth before the new system weren't they. They never signed Willie Mason or Justin Poore or Neville Costigan or a load more overseas players did they? Your big example of a side going for overseas signings instead of youth is a side that was doing that anyways under the old format.

But its now far harder to get top and you can't coast anymore.At the end of the day if its a play off system we have then what more can you ask for as top 2 team than win 1 game at home to get to the final?