Harsh on Ablett is that

One of the first thing I wasvtold about rugby was that it's won and lost upfront, you are always likely to struggle behind a beaten pack

Leeds need to play it simple and get back to simple rugby, 3 hard drives with the forwards and then spread the ball. Clearly current tactics are not working.

Leeds don't currently have forwards...

The problem is 3 hard drives goes nowhere so you have no platform to attack - add to that the two slowest centres in the league and you have a problem.

With Peacock, Leuluai and Ali playing you should be making plenty of ground forward with 3 drives. Leeds always bang on about how good McGuire and Burrow are, they don't seem to be able to control the attack.

It's become a bit of a cliche, but very few halves play really well behind a beaten pack. I've seen Andrew Johns do it, but not many others spring to mind.

your forwards will be ok this week, your only playing Rovers.

Who we can't seem to beat for love or money.

It's the biggest myth ever that one.

Happened hundreds of times over the years. Just people prefer to trot out the same old line.

How did Myler ever become a world record fee for a youngster? Why did Huddersfield pay out a shed load for Brough? How did Danny Orr get to Wigan after been the only stand out at Cas at the time? Why is Jonathan Thurstan regarded as the worlds best scrum half despite not playing for teams dominating games?

They all stood out, that's why despite playing behind packs who were beaten by the oppossition.

If the side you're in are really diabolical then you are bound to stand out amongst them if you have some talent. Orr did what exactly at Wigan? Myler? Overhsadowed by Briers and Monaghan. I haven't seen enough of Brough to say how well he has done this year.

The fact remains that it is extremely difficult for a half back to control a game if his forwards are not going forward. It's also not ideal to go wide if you are not attacking a retreating or disorganised defensive line. Good halves pick their moments to take advantage of disorganised defence and know when and where to attack. In that department Burrow and McGuire have been exceptional over the years. But if you are on the back foot, with slow PTB's there is little a half can do apart form defend well and wait.

Sort of half agree, stand out players can play behind a beaten pack but also having a dominant back does help the half backs.