I think RhinoNeil has answered Gareths post pretty spot on.

I can't believe you posted that Gareth. What happend to Stats mean nothing? Not only that but you actually compared the stats of a forward moving between backrow and prop, to that of a winger moving between fullback.

I know which players I would prefer in my team, and Westwood and Graham would be well ahead of Richards on that score. And that is no put down to Richards, who as I said above probably should get player of year for his achievements above anything else.

Quick question, why Graham?

Because IMO he has carried that Saints team all season, and that's no disrespect to his team mates. The guy is a machine. Not only a machine but I would go as far to say that he is rapidly becoming, again IMO, the best all round prop forward I have ever seen in the game. And I have been watching 32 years now. His passing game is as good as half backs, he is just as fast as centres, and his power in the collission is up there with any other forward.

As a rugby league fan, but somebody who does not like Saints at all, he is still a joy to watch for me.

am I the only one who thinks Jammer this year hasnt been as good as last year then?!

He already has a GF winners medal with Wests, hopefully he will have another one in a few weeks

I hope you are. But to be honest that would be irrelevant anyway. Like I said before the lad has carried that Saints pack this year, filling in consistently where Saints have suffered quite a lot of injuries.

Did Saints suffer as many injuries last season?

Dont get me wrong, I think he's a great forward but at times I think this season he almost seems to have "too much to do". I am comparing him to last years form though

I dont think they did

The point I was obviously demonstrating was that Richards has done much more than simply score tries and kick goals. RhinoNeil's post did nothing to diminish that inescapable fact.

The press don't vote for MOS anymore. It got taken off them the year they gave it to Roby.

But wouldn't that point have been better served had you just matched him up to the other dream team winger, say in Hall?

Had you done that and taken away the goal kicks, and the kicks in play (remember Richards does all their drop outs), then the stats are not a million miles apart. Would you consider Hall unlucky to have missed out on MOS?

Apologies, I thought it was now press and 1st team squad players from each club as opposed to an 'expert panel'. Is it just the players that vote only then?

Yes just players.