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| Quite. Rugby League is a regional sport in every country is played in and is rooted in alienation and the larrakin effect.
Football is something a lot of people pretend to like so they have something to talk about with people they pretend to like when they go to the pub. The nearest RL gets to that is in some parts of Australia when Origin swings around.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "No the sport of football hasn't struggled and clearly no one said that.
Some football clubs clearly have though and you know it but are too stubborn to admit it because it shows the flaw in your argument that successful businessmen wouldn't mess up at a sports club just because they've been successful elsewhere.'"
If you look at the football clubs that have failed they are ones that were run by directors who have never been successful businessmen in their own right.
The majority of soccer clubs that go bust are small clubs that cannot generate sufficient income to support the operation.
Peter Risdale was a personnel consultant as an example he should not have anywhere near running a football club/business of that size - kid and sweet shop come to mind
Peter Hood/Chris Caisley - neither were serious business people - Hood didn't have a pot to wee in - the whole point of raising all the money was to get Hood out of the personal mess he had got himself into.
Maurice was a bookmaker with delusions of grandeur not a serious businessman that had generated significant personal wealth
Alf Davies wasn't a businessman, Harry Jepson was a school teacher and Dennis Greenwood inherited what ever money he had - hardly a threesome to move the club forward
To suggest the likes of Caddick, McManus, Moran, Lenneghan, Guash, Glover, O'Connor could not be trusted if the cap were removed is bonkers in my view
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| Quote: DHM "Guess how they did it? Massive TV deal and regulation of players salaries.
One of those industries encouraged and allowed outside investment to build and promote their product.
One of those industries restricted that investment and has seen its product fall in prominence and prestige.
One of those industries has seen its value increase by about 70 times its initial value.
One of those industries has seen its tv rights just about keep up with inflation.
Tell me again about how the financial health of the premier league, its huge growth and improvement is based on the paper tiger that is FFP
Quote: DHM "Stop comparing football with Rugby League. It's like comparing an onion with Buckingham Palace.'" it wasnt my comparison.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah, because they would have gotten the massive tv deals if they hadnt have invested to start with. PL tv rights now are so valuable because of investment 5-10-15-20 years ago. Back in 1992 the PL rights were worth about £35m per year. Today they are worth about £2.5b all told. In 1996 SL rights were worth about 17.3m per year. Today they are worth £29.2m
One of those industries encouraged and allowed outside investment to build and promote their product.
One of those industries restricted that investment and has seen its product fall in prominence and prestige.
One of those industries has seen its value increase by about 70 times its initial value.
One of those industries has seen its tv rights just about keep up with inflation.
Tell me again about how the financial health of the premier league, its huge growth and improvement is based on the paper tiger that is FFP
it wasnt my comparison.'"
Somewhere there is a bucket of sand with your head buried in it.
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| Quote: DHM "Somewhere there is a bucket of sand with your head buried in it.'"
Somewhere in that sentence there's an a metaphor you f'cked up.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Somewhere in that sentence there's an a metaphor you f'cked up.'"
Pardon?
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| Quote: DHM "Pardon?'"
Somewhere in that sentence. There is a metaphor. You f'cked it up. I guess because you had lost the argument.
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| I would suggest that it has been the Sky TV money that saved RL in this country not the salary cap. An increase in the cap is well overdue and without one I predict the game will continue to decline because we will not be able to attract the quality of player needed to attract the paying public in sufficuent numbers. The game needs more funds so we are able to produce the quality players needed in sufficient quantity or recruit that same quality from outside and deter defections to Union and the NRL.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Somewhere in that sentence. There is a metaphor. You f'cked it up. I guess because you had lost the argument.'"
What the f*** are you talking about?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "If you look at the football clubs that have failed they are ones that were run by directors who have never been successful businessmen in their own right.
The majority of soccer clubs that go bust are small clubs that cannot generate sufficient income to support the operation.
Peter Risdale was a personnel consultant as an example he should not have anywhere near running a football club/business of that size - kid and sweet shop come to mind
Peter Hood/Chris Caisley - neither were serious business people - Hood didn't have a pot to wee in - the whole point of raising all the money was to get Hood out of the personal mess he had got himself into.
Maurice was a bookmaker with delusions of grandeur not a serious businessman that had generated significant personal wealth
Alf Davies wasn't a businessman, Harry Jepson was a school teacher and Dennis Greenwood inherited what ever money he had - hardly a threesome to move the club forward
To suggest the likes of Caddick, McManus, Moran, Lenneghan, Guash, Glover, O'Connor could not be trusted if the cap were removed is bonkers in my view'"
Yeah I was on about football owners and you mostly just mentioned RL guys. And who do you think let Risdale have that position at Leeds?
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Yeah I was on about football owners and you mostly just mentioned RL guys. And who do you think let Risdale have that position at Leeds?'"
A small media company called Caspian who payed the princely sum of £10m which was pretty much the entire worth of the company.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Yeah I was on about football owners and you mostly just mentioned RL guys. And who do you think let Risdale have that position at Leeds?'"
Because we are talking about the impact of the salary cap on RL clubs - soccer is a different game with differing types of challenges and owners. People are attracted to soccer for its prestige and status few could say they are attracted to RL for the same.
Nobody seems to know who owned Leeds utd during Risdale's tenure - some off shore trust, certainly no one of the gravitas of Caddick, Moran etc.
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| If one of the intentions of the salary cap is to even out the competition on the field then it appears to be working looking at the majority of Friday night's results. 2016 cellar dwellers Huddersfield and Leeds defeating the table topping Warrington and Hull.
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| Quote: tvoc "If one of the intentions of the salary cap is to even out the competition on the field then it appears to be working looking at the majority of Friday night's results. 2016 cellar dwellers Huddersfield and Leeds defeating the table topping Warrington and Hull.'"
Unfortunately a levelling down..rather than a levelling up. I don't think I have enjoyed one match I have seen this season. No intensity, no wincing at the heavy tackling, no admirable plays...boring. For the first time in many a season I have stopped watching every recorded match....and have nearly finished my Airfix 1/72 scale Vulcan
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| Good work.
If you want to continue watching hard, fast, entertaining rugby league I can recommend a 12 month subscription to Premier Sports HD
It's every game live from the NRL and a few of their magazine progs as well. Footy Show is much poorer than I remember but Matty Johns' Monday Night show fills the mirth gap nicely. Probably watching around half the games in full at present, the beauty is you get to pick and choose.
And contrary to some of the opinion on here there are no painfully slow, non tackling half-backs and all are as quick between the ears also the rules are actually enforced around the play the ball, time clocks on scrums and drop-outs, less negative kicks going dead as they are penalised by a zero tackle, no free play just the old fashioned crossing the advantage line you play on etc. While not perfect (nothing ever is) it's night and day from the drab, down-trodden version we have in SL - turning channel is like going back in time.
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