I wasn't referring to you but, if you insist, what exactly are trying to say here, if you are not making excuses?

My "brain dead poop" was in response to the barrage of brain dead threads belitling the acheivments of a superb Wigan side. I have praised Leeds on their outstanding performance in several threads and in my conversations in real life. In short, I treated the idiotic threads with the contempt that they deserve. Your deletions and public critisism has bolstered my point. Cheers.

Now why would I justify something I don't agree with? Oops, not thought this one through have you Ronzy, far too quick to present the argument you had in mind all along regardless of what people are actually saying.

Anyway, I do happen to consider it hypocritical to condemn Sam Tomkins for flicking the Vs whilst trying to valorise the abuse he receives from fans. And the assertion that booing an England international or openly calling for harm to be done to him has no effect on the game's reputation or the young players and fans involved in it is, to be [ivery[/i kind, disingenuous.


Classy. Now run along, and don't forget to impress your mates at school by telling them you learned a new swear word and used it to a grown-up!

Posting "haha" thirty or forty times in one post and then repeating over five other posts on three threads may pass for intellectual commentary in Hicksville Lancashire but around these parts it qualifies as "Special", as in

Fairly sensible post. Let's not overreact here and demonise the kid. After all, he probably wasn't looting Manchester city centre like a lot of his contemporaries the other week.

I think you'll find that the bans have been talked about for his abuse of match officials .... But hey, don't let misreading posts get in the way, eh ?

I don't disagree with that. However, I do take issue with people trying to chuck paleatives around, there is no justification for acting like an idiot. For the sake of the game, I sincerely hope he grows up and matches his talent with some class.

Well on that we can certainly agree.

Well, I'm glad we got that sorted.

If you think this is an over reaction I can only imagine your head would explode if Danny McGuire had offered the same gesture to the Wigan fans.

Anybody got a picture of the incident?

I'd like to ask Sam to explain to my little boy what it means.............

I think Freud called that projection. You realise, surely, that the internet is awash with people who like to see themselves as some sort of intellectual heavyweight and rely upon bluster and insults to detract from their failure to win an argument? It's just that you're acting like this is the first time anybody has come onto a forum with the "look at me I'm all clever and stuff" facade.


Aw bless, you're trying to insult me.


I see where you're going with this. The fans who abused Tomkins are vindicated by his having done something more harmful (in your opinion); thus if I agree that what Tomkins did was the most harmful of the two then any point I make or have made to the effect that fans who are worried about harm being done to the game should not merely be concerned with this particular harm and that being so might suggest their real motive was the further vilification of Sam Tomkins rather than the "good of the game" would somehow be moot. Is that it?

Ha, alluding to faux intellectualism, whilst making random and irrelevant references to Freud. Now, whilst we're having lessons that is irony.

No, I wasn't trying, I actually did insult you. Do try and keep up now.

In short .......................No..................He simply committed an act that was highly damaging to his own and the games reputation. Far more damaging than a bit of booing. Christ, Shaun Edwards and Andy Gregory got far worse than that at Headingley and I never saw them flip the Southstand the finger. More importantly, they knew it was the Leeds fans doing it because, they were playing Leeds at home. Tomkins has no idea who was booing him.

I note that you are now ignoring the fact that you tried to justify his actions, which why this little spat started. Consequently, I can't really be d any more. Tudaluh, kn0b jockey.