The same was said about the coaching setup in the weeks after the 2015 season, and as much as people try and excuse 2015 as all being down to Sinfield and Peacock, it wasn't, you don't win a treble if the coaching staff is as useless as some make out on here.

It is true that they probably dragged themselves into that excuse culture with the injuries and flooding but then that is one of the things they could learn from, certainly the latter issue shouldn't hopefully arise this year.

And let's not forget we went into last year GF without Aiton, Ward, JJB, Sutcliffe. A few like Delaney and Ablett probably shouldn't have played and Leuluai was playing with a heart issue and could only do small minutes.....we hardly had it easy either and we overcame.

Get rid of Atkins - the man is a liability

And half of those trophies came at Leeds. And that's why the Wenger comparison is made. Likewise he won a lot of trophies including league titles....but like Smith that's dried up and both are finding ways to fall short repeatadly.

A LLS is nice and all but in football terms that would be like Man City winning only FA Cups and League Cups for the next 10 years and no league titles.....it would be underachievement.

Smith certainly wouldn't have been given 8 years at Leeds without delivering a GF and let off by fans. Seems McDermott isn't the only coach who relied on Sinfield to win GF''s. Did Smith turn Sinfield and Co into GF winners, or did Sinfield and Co turn Smith into a GF winner. Looks like the latter from what's happened since as they've be able to win with others and he hasn't.

A light hearted retort to William bringing up the Kiwis/SPOTY aimed at me......not repeating it again and again on multiple threads really meaning to make the point. Big difference.

That has been your stance and you have repeated it again and again

Perfect end too the perfect season. Our worst season since pretty much ever, and Wigan win the title.
Fabulous.

Thought Wigan just deserved it on the day. Couldn't pick a stand out for the Harry Sunderland but Robert Hicks must have run Farrell close.

Without the effects SPOTY, the Kiwis, flooding, mindsets of unconscious complacency and injuries getting in the way, we cannot be certain that the current squad is...

(a) No longer fit for the purpose.
OR
(b) Still one of the [i"best squads ever assembled at Leeds"[/i (Hetherington).

Quite amusing really, this time last year you went missing, what a cockwomble

Agree. That just makes it worse.

Interesting to see how Warrington's "big name" (in SL terms) NRL halfbacks did sweet FA, managing to set up one entire try all game when it mattered.

i thought gidley went ok. game changed when sandow came on. he's just a loose cannon.