I'm a big advocate for Smith and still reckon he needs time to bring in his own players, On the flip side I don't know anyone whos available to come in either, we need to stop trying to do everything on the cheap and go out there and spend and make the team as attractive on the pitch as it is off it! GH has been using these bargain bin signings since 2016 and some will blame the new stadium but he will find out very quickly that that shiny new stadium will start to empty out if the product on the field is dross! I think Smith is culpable for a lot though, this passive defence approach does nothing to help us out with teams often making 70+ metres each set, meaning when we do get ball in hand we have to go the full stretch, which is why we look for these off the cuff plays to try to make more yardage which doesn't help with our handling errors. You can see what Smith is trying to achieve and we saw it best at the Cats game, but today the players just didn't seem up to it, and that's not what you expect from professionals.

No

The next one of our weekly kit releases should be a "I'm With Stupid" addition.

I think teams have worked out the passive defence plan and being able to make easy metres breeds confidence in the opposition. Once a team gets to or near an edge we freeze, start going backwards, a couple of passes to a second row can make 15-20 metres by doing nothing. A kick to the corner and a hard charge and we are put under pressure. Again today we had very little ball in their 22. Many of our sets are sluggish and easy to stop.

Arthur is right about senior players making lots of errors. Austin and Martin again made plenty . The 2 kick offs Martin did not deal with changed the game in the second half.

Just seen R.H. after match press conference , he is nearly in tears .

We should/could have had 3 tries in the first 10 minutes and our senior players bombed all 3.
Likewise what the hell was Handley doing kicking on the 2nd or 3rd tackle?
Far too many basic errors from seasoned professionals.
Why on earth didn`t Hooley and Sinfield get in the 17?
Once again picking players in any position just so they get a game is becoming farcical now.
Hooley needed to play today or play Myler FB. Handley on the wing, Martin in the pack and Sinfield in the halves.
It`s not rocket science is it?
Thank goodness we have enough points on the board otherwise we could be looking at relegation.

The players made their own statement today and put in a performance to say it! We are not playing anymore of your silly games Rohan.

If Leeds had 17 Donaldson’s we’d be ok. No great shakes by any means, but 100% every carry and tackle. Looked absolutely fuming at the end and rightly so.

Pretty much the same players who made a similar statement on Agar. Bit of a theme there. Whatever happens re the coach the senior players within the current crop have no consistency or resilience.

a few weeks ago I asked the question, were the players playing to get him sacked.
it was misread, I was accused of making a statement. I didn't.
but rapido, it has happened before and it wouldn't shock me if it was happening now

Well, these things you list are more or less the facts, whether you like them or not. It's kinda amusing that it is usually the same names calling for the coach to be fired after each loss. But I don't think that we're quite there yet with Smith, however embarrassing it was for some on here to lose to a 12 man Wakey side.

Smith took most of the current squad to a GF in a few months, and Hardaker aside, most fans would agree that we have a better squad this season with the first choice additions he has made (Olpherts aside, but I don't think he played this week, did he?).

Some of them are his players, but the majority of cap space is taken up by players not recruited by Smith. And again a lot of that cap space is not on the field, which is not Smith's fault. So as long as we are not threatened with relegation, I would still give Smith time with a few more signings of his choice, especially in the spine. Many on here wouldn't have retained Powell at Warrington for a second season but they aren't doing badly now. Smith can't live on the GF for ever, but he should be good for this season so long as we see a positive turnaround in the coming weeks.

I agree Smith does have a responsibility with the players available, who on paper should have been capable of beating Wakefield (I wasn't there, but Wakefield were going to pick up a result sooner or later - jury's out whether it was our bad luck to get them during a bad run of injuries and form - we'll find out in the coming weeks).

I wonder whether there's a problem in the playing group. Are they working for one another or playing as individuals? Some of the defence against Cas suggested the latter - far too many players jumping the line etc. Yet again, lots of individual errors may suggest that too many players are trying too hard to do it all. Smith will hopefully learn from this, given the chance.

One thing I would be looking at now if I were GH is to use the cap space caused by Leeming's departure to look to bringing in a decent mid-season signing. No doubt Leeds have been looking at options as soon as Leeming left. Obviously there are risks, but if the right player is available it could help turn us around.

Well took took some time to try work out how I feel after today was one of worst performances I have seen by our club if not the worst. If anyone said what's the worst case scenario's that could happen in todays game I think they all happened, firstly getting beat at all by the worst SL team in SL history in this seasons wakey ( no disrespect to them but they have been so far this season), then their team wasn't even at full strength they had a few missing just like us and to top it off they played 35 minutes with 12 men !!! It's a sad day for the Leeds Rhinos club but we have to get past it and get this awful season over with. Imo our season is done now Cas & Wakey will fight it out for Relegation we will pick up a win here and there and finish between 8th- 10th and can't see us closing the gap on top 6 at all. Me personally I don't want to see Rohan sacked by the club I do think he is a good coach and with the right playing group, for me it's not him who's dropping balls to bomb certain tries, kicking restarts out on the full, giving away constant penalties & not respecting the ball that's all players doing players who have played 100's of rugby games in the NRL & SL like Macdonald, Austin, Oledzki & Bentley and those who say well he's the one who picks the team etc, yes he does but what can he do when as we've become a custom too half of our playing roster is sat in the stands injured! the only little bit of good to come out of today's performance was Ruan coming off the bench to make his debut thought he had some decent carries and carried strong for his try, but that says something about us as at team today when a 20 year old debutant is only postive from playing against the worst SL in history. I hope Rohan can survive this season and make the right choice such as player roster and signings and resignings but only time will tell.

can't agree sorry. there's no way this sorry mess can be turned around other than replacing smith. and hetherington needs to spend and get a quality coach in. a man who players listen to. who that is I'm at a loss. however i don't trust smith to recruit wisely. and this is a vital, vital off season

There in lies the issue, if we are to continue in this same vein (and the returning players still isnt a guarantee all will be great again) as we have been doing, playing utter $hite and we do get dragged down towards bottom 2 or 3 relegation dogfight, as daft as it may seem, when does GH do (and I bet he will) the knee jerk reaction and do a Sam Allardyce and boot Rohan and try get some ex-Rhinos legend in the hot seat for half a dozen games to try steer us clear? The R word is a lot more prominent than playoffs, we are playing relegation level rugby.

Well took some time to try work out how I feel after today was one of worst performances I have seen by our club if not the worst. If anyone said what's the worst case scenario's that could happen in todays game I think they all happened, firstly getting beat at all by the worst SL team in SL history in this seasons wakey ( no disrespect to them but they have been so far this season), then their team wasn't even at full strength they had a few missing just like us and to top it off they played 35 minutes with 12 men !!! It's a sad day for the Leeds Rhinos club but we have to get past it and get this awful season over with. Imo our season is done now Cas & Wakey will fight it out for Relegation we will pick up a win here and there and finish between 8th- 10th and can't see us closing the gap on top 6 at all. Me personally I don't want to see Rohan sacked by the club I do think he is a good coach and with the right playing group, for me it's not him who's dropping balls to bomb certain tries, kicking restarts out on the full, giving away constant penalties & not respecting the ball that's all players doing players who have played 100's of rugby games in the NRL & SL like Macdonald, Austin, Oledzki & Bentley and those who say well he's the one who picks the team etc, yes he does but what can he do when as we've become a custom too half of our playing roster is sat in the stands injured! the only little bit of good to come out of today's performance was Ruan coming off the bench to make his debut thought he had some decent carries and carried strong for his try, but that says something about us as at team today when a 20 year old debutant is only postive from playing against the worst SL in history. I hope Rohan can survive this season and make the right choice such as player roster and signings and resignings but only time will tell.