That’s true but I must have missed you on the Rhinos team sheet…..?

It’s OK people parroting what the Sky pundits are saying. A Peacock, Maguire or Sculthorpe or Farrell might, to some extent, get away with a bout of petulance because they were amazing players. If we had a player as good as them now we’d be a much better team with or without some yelling. What makes the team successful, shouting at poor performance or having 5 England internationals in it? .

Most of these standards should be set in training. You have to practice to perform.

And the building trade is well renowned for high performance and no dysfunction in companies.

I think the difference in how you and I see this matter Jim, is what you describe as a bout of petulance, I see as holding people accountable for their mistakes in a team sport. Shouting in sport is not necessarily the same as doing it in an office environment for example. Team Sportspeople are highly motivated by not letting their mates down, and without holding them to account when they do, you see a slip into accepted mediocrity like we are witnessing at Leeds, Hull FC and Castleford right now. All three clubs are capable of much better performances, and when the players (and coaches) are held to account they are more likely to improve the performance, this is simple management (something I have a lot of experience of).

Happy to debate, it's always respectful between us.

jim, I played professional football. do I need sarcasm saying I never played for the rhinos??? you don't do your job at elite level trust me, your team mates tell you. even at the level of semi pro its like that. the likes of burrow, webb, peacock and sinfield would dish it out

its no wonder we are so poor.nobody takes any responsibility. do they even care? doesnt look like it

There appears to be no accountability at the club and therefore responsibility lower down the ladder becomes almost non existent , our main man Mr Hetherington is deluded as in his recent interview saying the organisation is in a good position(not sure he will be saying that next year when season ticket sales are down and hospitality is not sold out ) and in my opinion our coach is tactically clueless and could not motivate a set of School kids

With all due respect to Jim, I'm starting to think he might just be trolling on here and laughing his ass off at home as everyone gets reeled in.

Other recent examples off top of my head include:
Louis Roberts a back row
TNW too small to be a prop
Riley Lumb too thin for SL

You're not the only person who has ever worked in a high-intensity environment where performance is demanded Tads, sports or not.

No responsibility? What is your evidence for that view? Frawley literally got dropped last game due to performance at Hull. Olpherts was shipped on before his contract ended. Loads of dead wood has been pruned out since RS came in, and I think he was right in just about every case - those players are either in Championship now or in teams at the bottom of the table (funnily enough, about where we were when they played for us...). Higher up responsibility: well we will see about RS, and GH seemed to admit himself recently that the "transition" wasn't handled well, but he seems too comfortable to me.

I don't see a side that doesn't care, we probably aren't going to agree here and I know I'm in the minority on here, fair enough. I'm sure there are some robust and honest conversations happening behind closed doors. I think the players and coaches care tremendously.

Where we're at is a main squad which probably isn't good enough to win super league anyway, hammered by injuries again (you can call that an excuse if you like, but I disagree, I would call it a reason), and with a relatively inexperienced head coach who is struggling to convince. Is it the squad? Is it the injuries? Is it the coach? Probably all three but to what degrees, who knows.

any excuses under the sun.
look at me, I accept mediocrity.welcome to more seasons of crap

We've been rubbish pretty much since 2017 mate, I don't know why mediocrity is suddenly a big thing!

Supporting Leeds is a bit like rolling in a field of mediocrity cat nip.

We will be good again one day, just not seemingly this year. It could be worse, we could be Hull (although that was kindof us once or twice...).

Plenty to get excited about going forward whoever is coach. I think we have a clutch of Super League players coming through the system finally.

Mediocrity is not acceptable for Leeds rhinos , probably one of the most iconic clubs in the league. The best ground in super league, with the best corporate and off field activities in the league. Not forgetting one of the biggest following in the league. Clutch of players coming through, not all of the stars in the youth set make the grade. It’s a big step up and some can’t handle it, so it would be a gamble to rely on that aspect of player recruitment.
Also I wouldn’t trust Smith to recognise any potential talent, looking at his track record so far. Hull should be a salutary warning as to what happens when you get several seasons of gentle decline. The decline stops and the club implodes. Looking over at Wigan ,Peet states he may be only looking at maybe one or two additions for next season as he has got the squad he wants. That shows what can be achieved with correct players recruitment and sound management. I was going to say wigan are one of our main rivals. Unfortunately they aren’t , seeing as we seemed to have fallen into regular mid table activities.

We all want Leeds to be winning again of course - we have disagreement among forum members on how to do it.

I don't actually think we need more than 2-3 new players next year to make a tilt for the title. Each of those players needs to be in a Croft bracket of quality though - there is no point us signing anyone who isn't capable of helping us win a title now, otherwise we're running to stay still.

Nicely, I wouldn't use Hull as the example, we have already been through that phase in my view. We very nearly got relegated not so long ago if you remember. We were awful (before RS). I'm confident the player roster is moving in the right direction, slowly but surely - I'm not so confident we're going to see much more than a top-half finish this year though. We'll see.

I dont have confidence in the theory that smith just needs 2-3 signings to mke a push for the top, the signings this year have been significant but there hasnt been even an incremental improvement (even when weve had a fit squad to choose from) a dozen games in and we havent seen the best form from big signings like croft and ackers. I heard some claim early in the season that we'll put some big scores on teams when the pitches firm up, i really dont know what they were watching to assert that.

Tomkins said on sky a few weeks ago about the strengths and weaknesses of Millar not ammounting to a top level full back and im afraid hes right. Much like the collective team and way of playing, theres moments of brilliance but theyre far outweighed by the errors.

Smith may well leave of his own volition but ill bet that there wont be a SL or NRL club jumping at the chance to appoint him (and his brand of rugby) as their head coach.

Smith’s signings have been a mixed bag, but not universally bad. I’m glad Ackers, Croft, McDonnell, Ruan, Hudson, Miller are at the club. Mom could grow on me.

If we make garbage signings next year there is no excuse and even my patience will go again.

I still say if we get that pack sorted once and for all, our back line is decent. There is better quality and breadth of young talent coming through now. I feel we have turned the corner, but we’re still behind where we should be.