Fully agree Bats. There’s a lack of quality leadership on the field too. We don’t have many players who stand up and be counted, when the going gets tough they capitulate

He looked like he knew he’s under big pressure now

We had the opportunity for a drop goal when 12 points up prior to the Miller kick on the last, didn't seem to enter anyone's mind.

To concede that number of try’s at home is scandalous. The Swift one from 3 yards out past 2 defenders was an absolute shocker. First half we played reasonably well, picked up the giants running lines and tackled them, then punched holes in the giants defence. Croft showed some decent form, then second half we collapsed. Not certain about the Newman injury, seems a bit strange if he was injured why not replace him at half time.
As for fus, feel desperately sorry for the lad . On the field leadership woeful, Smith shows no signs of inspiring the team . Doesn’t seem much team spirit either. As I have stated on many occasions this team is deeply flawed, most of it unfortunately can be attributed to the coach and some of his signings.

I rather foolishly looked on BBC Sport app hoping for a "Rohan leaves Leeds" type headline.... alas... no!

I generally try an be positive.

For the first 4 games or so I thought we’d turned a corner in terms of defensive resilience and was just Waiting for the offense to click, plus Handley was on the end of some good stuff.

I wasn’t overly bothered by the first saints game, I thought we were competitive. But then for me we’ve got worse. Out of all our losses, last nights was the worst because I know we’ve talked a lot about only turning up for a half, but yesterday it was so stark.

I said the same thing last year when we were 6 points in front of Hull KR . In front of there posts with one and a half minutes to half time I'm screaming for a drop goal but instead our great team hand the ball over and KR go the length to score. At least a drop goal eats a bit of clock time up . There is no one in the team with a rugby brain.

I wish

That was Foolish , Gary says we are in a good place .

He was right about the tackle leading to the drop out, tackle was complete then a second man comes in and the lift and drag him and the last try was a clear knock on, but we put ourselves in those positions, 6 trys in second half and they scored 3 on the bounce without us having the ball.

Smith looks broken, hope he walks before having to push him, either way think almost everyone now thinks he’s not the man for the job.

We have to replace him whilst we can salvage the season not wait until its mathematically not possible to make the play offs, because if he stays we won’t.

Having been at the game and watched Rohan’s post match thoughts. I thought his description of what happened was pretty accurate. But, the point surely is that though this demonstrates his skill in reading a game, he is actually employed as the coach not as a Rugby League analyst. So, fans are naturally left wondering about how he can’t translate his knowledge of the game into improving the performance of the team - particularly during games.
It is accurate to say that the collapse coincided with Fusitua and Newman leaving the field, and though Martin is an experienced replacement as a back, McDonnell was brutally exposed by Swift on our right hand side. But some of those tries in the second half were terrible to concede.
What Leeds did well in the first half was to keep possession and not engage in daft offloads, and just focus on field possession. This wasn’t exciting but for most of the first half seemed effective. Once the game started to swing back and forth in the second half, Leeds went into giddy mode (when they had the ball) and they started to doubt that they could win out by re-focussing on possession.
A bitter defeat like that is not necessarily a fair place to be drawing broader conclusions, but there are some weaknesses that go back to Rohan’s approach to roster management. Part of his approach is to pick up fringe players from other teams and hope he can improve them. And as usual with any coach in any sport he shows loyalty and support when fans may not feel it’s justified - e.g. Fusitua was having a decent game, but he is very injury prone and fans did question the sense of earmarking a significant part of the cap on a part timer.
And there is also the debate about the balance of accountability between the coach and the players, when things go wrong as spectacularly as they did last night. The startling piece of evidence we have is that Rohan firmly distanced himself from the bonkers idea of the short kick off by Miller near the end (never mind it’s comedic execution). So, why are supposedly experienced players making repeated daft decisions - the answer has to be that this makes the coach look weak, and perhaps unable to stand up to senior players.

he started out as an analyst. he should go back to it

I think Smith could make a very good club manager, in the sort of role Hetherington has played for decades. Or in a central role at the RFL looking at the game as a whole. Suggesting he doesn't know his stuff when it comes to RL is ridiculous. But its really looking like he's not going to work out as head coach.

Just on Miller's kick, to me the responsibility is the half backs. Both Frawley and Croft can kick. Everyone knows Miller is flaky under pressure. They need to push him out of the way and take ownership of the situation. Miller to me reverts to his 7s days under pressure - high risk and all or nothing plays. The way to stop that mattering is to take the decisions away from him.

I agree with most of this. We lack leadership in these critical on field moments in games. Either it's the captain, the halves, or collective trust in everybody executing the game plan.

Regarding the captain, Smith is probably a good clubman and he's got a good RL brain, but he doesn't seem to be a good leader. He might improve with time, but we've had much younger captains who have been better (e.g. Iestyn, early 00s Sinfield). In fairness Stevie Ward should be doing this job. I don't have much more confidence in Handley, especially given his positioning on the wing, although he's a better player. Maybe Martin, Ackers or Croft would be better choices? Croft needs to be more involved, and maybe this is the way to do it.

The halves need to exert themselves more on the game and their teammates.

Croft summed it up nicely in his interview when he said the players need more belief. There isn't the collective trust in one another not to make errors in possesion, not to make silly defensive lapses, so about half the team are going into their shells and trying to do individual stuff (or take short-cuts) to get us out of trouble. The coach has some responsibility here, but we're lacking that mental resilience to carry into the last 15 minutes of games, when the pressure to crack and revert to lost sheep is at its greatest.

Cameron Smith is the captain he should have got the ball gave it to Frawley and said wang it down field. Miller should not be making those decisions.