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Quote: tigertot "I think that's recipe for disaster. But a captain does need to be intelligent & lead by example. I think that should have been Sezer but doesn't meet the second criteria. It's Martin or Smith for me, but the former does seem a bit relaxed at times, Smith is trying too hard. It seemed a natural progression for Oledzki but he is not on the pitch & playing well enough at the moment.'"


Agreed

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If the rumours that Cameron Smith told fans in the crowd after the Hudds game that MacDonald would not play for Leeds again are true, then it is pretty unprofessional and certainly not captain material. You would never have had Sinfield saying such things to the fans.

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The modern view of leadership is more distributed, so different players show leadership in different areas or at different times. We do however look rudderless at times.

Cam Smith tends to act as overall captain - I'm not sure this is as big an issue as the playing roster is.

I feel like after years of false dawns and poor decisions, scratching our way out of post-stadium-post-Covid horrors, it really is time now for GH to show he still has the touch to guide the club back to being competitive.

For me the next 3-4 signings are pivotal. Get these right and I think some on here will be pleasantly surprised with what we could do next season. A couple more Tetevanos and we are bouncing around the wrong end of the table still. This is quite a pivotal moment for the club for me: we have so much cap and quota available in one go, we must get back on track.

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Quote: KaeruJim "The modern view of leadership is more distributed, so different players show leadership in different areas or at different times. We do however look rudderless at times.

Cam Smith tends to act as overall captain - I'm not sure this is as big an issue as the playing roster is.

I feel like after years of false dawns and poor decisions, scratching our way out of post-stadium-post-Covid horrors, it really is time now for GH to show he still has the touch to guide the club back to being competitive.

For me the next 3-4 signings are pivotal. Get these right and I think some on here will be pleasantly surprised with what we could do next season. A couple more Tetevanos and we are bouncing around the wrong end of the table still. This is quite a pivotal moment for the club for me

I know some think I'm overly optimistic but it's actually pretty (not sure if this is the right word but..) 'exciting' to see what happens isn't it?

Imagine how good it would be if we actually get the signings roight and we are back up there competing next year, this seasons was done a while ago and im glad to see the back of it but as you say with a couple of astute signings (I think Millar is one of them) next year could be good, we've finally got rid of a lot of the players we have been moaning about and its time for a fresh start, younger players are a year older and there will be more come into the first team squad.

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Quote: christopher "I know some think I'm overly optimistic but it's actually pretty (not sure if this is the right word but..) 'exciting' to see what happens isn't it?

Imagine how good it would be if we actually get the signings roight and we are back up there competing next year, this seasons was done a while ago and im glad to see the back of it but as you say with a couple of astute signings (I think Millar is one of them) next year could be good, we've finally got rid of a lot of the players we have been moaning about and its time for a fresh start, younger players are a year older and there will be more come into the first team squad.'"

I honestly expect us to improve next year and then kick on from there as the academy quality lads finally come through to first grade.

Once Leeds starts winning again everything becomes easier; we are in that pivot right now.

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Quote: KaeruJim "I honestly expect us to improve next year and then kick on from there as the academy quality lads finally come through to first grade.

Once Leeds starts winning again everything becomes easier; we are in that pivot right now.'"


We have to improve next year Jim.
If we go further backwards, we'll be in the Championship mate.

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Quote: Simmo71 "We have to improve next year Jim.
If we go further backwards, we'll be in the Championship mate.'"


Can't happen. There is no way we can get relegated next season, even if we lose every game. Which is very dangerous to how high we set our standards.

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Quote: Simmo71 "We have to improve next year Jim.
If we go further backwards, we'll be in the Championship mate.'"

True. If you look at the first half of the year we were tracking for a top 6 finish before what I would say is petulant and/or unprofessional behaviour from a couple of key players derailed us.

Assuming that doesn’t happen again next year we should be more consistent. But yeah we need to get these next decisions right, which we don’t have a great track record in. RS needs to show his judgement here.

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It's essentially impossible for Leeds to get relegated under the new system.

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Quote: Simmo71 "We have to improve next year Jim.
If we go further backwards, we'll be in the Championship mate.'"


We won't we'll have a grade A licence from next year, so no relegation.

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No relegation but if we are running last and playing crap even the patient supporters like me will be switching off.

As much as I am realistically positive, I’ve also said quite clearly that the mismanagement in transition from the Goldens was not acceptable. So if we’re awful again next year it’s not only RS that might lose his job at the club - fan and sponsor pressure will be immense because we’ve all had enough.

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Quote: KaeruJim "No relegation but if we are running last and playing crap even the patient supporters like me will be switching off.

As much as I am realistically positive, I’ve also said quite clearly that the mismanagement in transition from the Goldens was not acceptable. So if we’re awful again next year it’s not only RS that might lose his job at the club - fan and sponsor pressure will be immense because we’ve all had enough.'"

Your positivity is wobbling ...

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Quote: Seth "Your positivity is wobbling ...'"

*realistic* positivity mate

I don’t make any bones about criticising some things that the decision makers at Leeds have got wrong (IMO); we got arrogant and cocky at the back end of the Goldens and then hit by stadium and COVID costs together which was painful.

Our decisions in signings have been overall dreadful for years. Maybe had some bad luck too and that happens; but we have been too tight in many areas and then spaffed money on names with no form at the same time.

I know we have a 60/40 split against RS on here but I actually think he knows what he’s doing. He’s still learning as a head coach but if you look at who he’s moved on, where he’s trying to sign, I agree with him.

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1st stage - Cautious pre-season optimism. “If we keep everyone fit I really think we can challenge for the top 4”. “I like what XX coach is doing, it’s a 3-5 year process”.
2nd stage - Lose 1st game of the season, often outclassed, normally by Warrington.
3rd stage - Knocked out of CC early.
4th stage - Inconsistent early season form ensues.

End result - Season pretty much over in March.

It’ll be starting again before you know it.

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Oh another negative thread. Great. icon_rolleyes.gif

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