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| Quote: Joshheff90 "I actually didn’t think we were that great today. Huddersfield were just really poor. I suppose there were flashes of good play in attack in the first half, but as soon as we had any defending to do in the second half we looked all over the place. Or am I judging us too harshly? I suppose we’re a bottom half of the table team now. Still, good to get the win and see a few tries scored.'"
You are spot on. In terms of missed tackles, it was our worst performance of the season. How you can win a game with 50 missed tackles is a bit of a joke. Of course the heat and two sinbinnings have to be taken into account, but the stats are horrendous in relation to what was seen.
Myler and Singletons defence efforts are utterly abysmal, and inexcusable. I suppose at least Singleton attempted a lot, unlike sone of his teammates, but 9 missed tackles is just a joke. Especially when Peteru also at prop is one of only three players not to miss a tackle. Myler missed 8 tackles.
Oledzki take a bow if stats correct, by far and way out on his own and only player above 30 tackles.
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| Why cant people just be happy with the 2 badly needed points? Doesn't matter how they come, we don't have to apologise for winning.
I will take the win no matter how it comes. Were a team at the moment with little to no confidence so the performance is obviously not going to be perfect.
The team had a lot of positives in it yesterday.
Be happy with the 2 points and move on to Wakey.
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "Why cant people just be happy with the 2 badly needed points? Doesn't matter how they come, we don't have to apologise for winning.
I will take the win no matter how it comes. Were a team at the moment with little to no confidence so the performance is obviously not going to be perfect.
The team had a lot of positives in it yesterday.
Be happy with the 2 points and move on to Wakey.'"
I don’t think anyone is moaning Marty. At the same time we can’t have our heads up our bottom either. Facts are facts. We played the basics perfectly in the first half, and were clinical which shocked Huddersfield. Over the 80 minutes our defensive effort was shocking, as shown by the stats to back it up. Those points are not debatable. How some have highlighted certain players as positives when the stats show the opposite again shows how naive some can be, purely based on a score line.
On the other side, I personally right now would rather have stats like that each week and the two points than lose. Of course on the proviso that the club are not as naive as fans, based on that result. That isn’t moaning, it is just having a sense of realism. Although if you want it evening out, Wigan missed 49 tackles in their game.
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| Quote: Gotcha "I don’t think anyone is moaning Marty. At the same time we can’t have our heads up our bottom either. Facts are facts. We played the basics perfectly in the first half, and were clinical which shocked Huddersfield. Over the 80 minutes our defensive effort was shocking, as shown by the stats to back it up. Those points are not debatable. How some have highlighted certain players as positives when the stats show the opposite again shows how naive some can be, purely based on a score line.
On the other side, I personally right now would rather have stats like that each week and the two points than lose. Of course on the proviso that the club are not as naive as fans, based on that result. That isn’t moaning, it is just having a sense of realism.'"
The main stat defensively is we conceded 18 points. This team is capable of scoring 18 most weeks. It doesn't matter if players miss tackles, what matters is somebody covers that missed tackle and in the main we did yesterday.
Of course the defence has to improve but we are in a position where only the win matters so let's accept the win and stop focusing on negatives.
The players should now gain a bit more confidence which will hopefully help offensively and defensively.
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "The main stat defensively is we conceded 18 points. This team is capable of scoring 18 most weeks. It doesn't matter if players miss tackles, what matters is somebody covers that missed tackle and in the main we did yesterday.
Of course the defence has to improve but we are in a position where only the win matters so let's accept the win and stop focusing on negatives.
The players should now gain a bit more confidence which will hopefully help offensively and defensively.'"
Your reading this all wrong Marty, and coming across naive, which I don’t believe you are. Your overall point is correct, let me say that. However, that point is incredibly unfair on a team game, to ignore individual performance. It is all well and good talking about somebody covering, but those type of individual performances in defence more often is not the right way to look at all. Why should they have to cover for weaknesses? Do those players deserve the shirt with repeat performances? Like I said previously, we are not talking a couple of missed tackles, you are talking a big percentage of attempted tackles missed.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Your reading this all wrong Marty, and coming across naive, which I don’t believe you are. Your overall point is correct, let me say that. However, that point is incredibly unfair on a team game, to ignore individual performance. It is all well and good talking about somebody covering, but those type of individual performances in defence more often is not the right way to look at all. Why should they have to cover for weaknesses? Do those players deserve the shirt with repeat performances? Like I said previously, we are not talking a couple of missed tackles, you are talking a big percentage of attempted tackles missed.'"
But at this moment in time it doesn't matter. We need wins, no matter how they come, that is all that matters. It's no good saying we got the win but.....
We just need wins. I cant look at the performance at the moment. Its win whether we play well, garbage or in between.
If we can beat Wakey and KRnt and move up the table then look at performance of the team and individuals. We all know weve players who aren't good enough, we all know we have to rebuild but right here right now its about 2 points. If we miss 1 tackle, 50 tackles or 100 it matters not one jot.
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| Quote: jools "That first half was the worst we’ve played all season- we made a very ordinary Leeds side look good. Shocking first half performance.
Just looked like they were wary of using any energy- wardle just watched briscoe score his try.
Best player mackintosh- he was also our worst player at times with some awful “passes”.
Forwards poor compared to the great game they played last week.
Leeds aren’t owt much but we made them look brilliant.
Our lads reverted to type After that second try where Leeds scored off being a mile offside and their heads went. Again.'"
Yes you're a great side it must be very annoying that you were beaten by a mediocre Leeds team
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "But at this moment in time it doesn't matter. We need wins, no matter how they come, that is all that matters. It's no good saying we got the win but.....
We just need wins. I cant look at the performance at the moment. Its win whether we play well, garbage or in between.
If we can beat Wakey and KRnt and move up the table then look at performance of the team and individuals. We all know weve players who aren't good enough, we all know we have to rebuild but right here right now its about 2 points. If we miss 1 tackle, 50 tackles or 100 it matters not one jot.'"
Completely agree!! We can't go from being rubbish and losing to great and winning in a few weeks. And the point you make about covering missed tackles is a really good one. The attitude of some has been questioned this season, but yesterday there was more desire to work for each other. That's a big part of what will pull us through this.
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| Quote: D4mo78 "Completely agree!! We can't go from being rubbish and losing to great and winning in a few weeks. And the point you make about covering missed tackles is a really good one. The attitude of some has been questioned this season, but yesterday there was more desire to work for each other. That's a big part of what will pull us through this.'"
Absolutely. I couldn't see that result coming in a million years so let's take it with both hands. Yes theres still a huge amount of improvement needed still but that result yesterday can be a building block. Considering we had half the pack out injured also. Ava and Merrin will add some much needed toughness in the middle for KR at home.
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| Quote: christopher "Bit of both, we had a lot of shifting positions to do with Hurrell going off injuried then having 2 sin binnings and sutcliffe going off for 15 mins.
Interesting to see we scored 3 from kicks on the last which has generally been poor this year
Id like to see Briscoes sin binning again, to me he got binned because it looked dangerous rather than him actually causing it (if you now what I mean?)
In some ways the performances are pretty irrelevant in the next few games, I’ll take 2 wins from the next 2 games even if it’s down to the other team playing poorly'"
Agreed, I think the various disruptions (Hurrell injured, sin-bins, rotations, Sutty off, Dwyer carrying a knock 2nd half(?)) are what gave them a look-in. For example, whilst Oledski did well I thought it was him who moved out of position leaving the gap for the O'Brien sucker try from dummy half? Just a bit of inexperience of course but important all the same.
It would be interesting to see both sin-bin incidents again. I really do think Hicks has some kind of problem with us and that the Giants players reaction to both influenced the sin-bin decisions both times. Are all refs going to sin-bin anyone who tackles in the air (accidental or intentional) from now onwards?
I would definitely have taken a 20 point win beforehand so very happy with the result.
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| 2 points is 2 points and I'll take them however they come. Good showing in the 1st half and one of the main differences in the 2nd half was Hudds control of Dwyer. Not the greatest quality rugby but keep grinding out some wins and I still think we will finish the low end of mid table. Fwiw I think we may struggle against Wakey and beat KR. 4 out of 6 over Easter is better than we were hoping for a couple of weeks ago
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| Quote: Holmes "Agreed, I think the various disruptions (Hurrell injured, sin-bins, rotations, Sutty off, Dwyer carrying a knock 2nd half(?)) are what gave them a look-in. For example, whilst Oledski did well I thought it was him who moved out of position leaving the gap for the O'Brien sucker try from dummy half? Just a bit of inexperience of course but important all the same.
It would be interesting to see both sin-bin incidents again. I really do think Hicks has some kind of problem with us and that the Giants players reaction to both influenced the sin-bin decisions both times. Are all refs going to sin-bin anyone who tackles in the air (accidental or intentional) from now onwards?
I would definitely have taken a 20 point win beforehand so very happy with the result.'"
I would also like to see both incidents again. At the game I thought Briscoe was very lucky, and had no complaints about his binning, thought he was stupid. The Peteru one though looked a terrible decision, and not even a penalty for me. Tackle looked absolutely fine. You talk about Hicks, and I agree there is something weird that goes through his head, although I think officials are terrible full stop in super league. But the worst decision of the game was in the first half, where a kick across from huddersfield was going straight out of play, and the right winger knocked the ball back into play, whilst one foot was over the line and the other on the line. The linesman was looking right down, and ignored it. Terrible officiating.
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| Quote: christopher "Also I know he gets some stick but we do look a lot better with Myler in the team, he seems to be the only one in the team that can guide the team around.
I think Sutcliffe has got the stand off position pretty much guaranteed bar injury, I’m not saying its deserved but that’s how it seems, if we can guarantee safety with a few games to go Id like to see Mclleland get a run though.
Hirrells injury could be the making of Newman who IMO is a real talent.'"
Sutcliffe as been very good at 6 and has gone full circle and refound his position again righ back where he started, with Tui at full back aswell we look better balanced. Walker when fit will have to settle for a bench spot for now.
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| I’d play Walker on the wing, a full back is a waste of a bench spot
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| Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "I’d play Walker on the wing, a full back is a waste of a bench spot'"
walker could be our 1,2,5,6,7 or even 9 option if he keeps improving...if they keep hurrell in the second row he could switch back to the centres if we get injuries there too
what yesterdays win should do is give us confidence to move forward..we have a chance to possibly win 6 of the next 7 and put the idea of relegation firmly to bed
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