I would rather be losers, and playing finals, than been non challengers any day. At least they don't have to suffer the utter embarrassment of the middle eights.

I don't care if we finished in the middle 8's this season. I'd take lower lows for greater highs. Warrington haven't won a title for 61 years and just can't get that title winning forumla. Would I f*ck swap places with them. We thought 32 years was bad. We thought that was a monkey. 61 years.

I would rather be sometimes lower than expected down the table but then winning grand finals when you get there, rather than just never winning. 2 out of 6 grand finals for smith.

Why can't you have both or at least a plan B for when injuries do strike?
Look at Powell at Cas aswell he had plans/structures that could be adapted to the players he had available which made them competitive all season.
Hiding behind excuses early on GH gave this squad/Coaches an excuse culture all season.
We keep hearing about how much they've learned well we'll soon see but imo the biggest mistake will be starting 2017 with the same Coaching set up & we've yet to see the quality recruitment we undoubtedly need.

The same was said about the coaching setup in the weeks after the 2015 season, and as much as people try and excuse 2015 as all being down to Sinfield and Peacock, it wasn't, you don't win a treble if the coaching staff is as useless as some make out on here.

It is true that they probably dragged themselves into that excuse culture with the injuries and flooding but then that is one of the things they could learn from, certainly the latter issue shouldn't hopefully arise this year.

And let's not forget we went into last year GF without Aiton, Ward, JJB, Sutcliffe. A few like Delaney and Ablett probably shouldn't have played and Leuluai was playing with a heart issue and could only do small minutes.....we hardly had it easy either and we overcame.

Get rid of Atkins - the man is a liability

And half of those trophies came at Leeds. And that's why the Wenger comparison is made. Likewise he won a lot of trophies including league titles....but like Smith that's dried up and both are finding ways to fall short repeatadly.

A LLS is nice and all but in football terms that would be like Man City winning only FA Cups and League Cups for the next 10 years and no league titles.....it would be underachievement.

Smith certainly wouldn't have been given 8 years at Leeds without delivering a GF and let off by fans. Seems McDermott isn't the only coach who relied on Sinfield to win GF''s. Did Smith turn Sinfield and Co into GF winners, or did Sinfield and Co turn Smith into a GF winner. Looks like the latter from what's happened since as they've be able to win with others and he hasn't.

A light hearted retort to William bringing up the Kiwis/SPOTY aimed at me......not repeating it again and again on multiple threads really meaning to make the point. Big difference.

That has been your stance and you have repeated it again and again

Perfect end too the perfect season. Our worst season since pretty much ever, and Wigan win the title.
Fabulous.

Thought Wigan just deserved it on the day. Couldn't pick a stand out for the Harry Sunderland but Robert Hicks must have run Farrell close.

Without the effects SPOTY, the Kiwis, flooding, mindsets of unconscious complacency and injuries getting in the way, we cannot be certain that the current squad is...

(a) No longer fit for the purpose.
OR
(b) Still one of the [i"best squads ever assembled at Leeds"[/i (Hetherington).

Quite amusing really, this time last year you went missing, what a cockwomble