No I asked about his stats in the second half of the season against the better sides as you well knew

You were selective in only choosing the poorer sides as proof of how good he had been in the second half. Your decision to use stats from earlier in the season were because the stats at the back end against the better sides weren't so hot? Nothing wrong with that it what everyone does on here - my point was JC was criticised for using the exact same tactic as you but your use of the tactic was overlooked.

Just like everyone else on here!! What it does show for me that he isn't the finished article and the stats suggest he isn't quite as far ahead of his peer group as some on here would suggest.

He's not the finished article attacking wise but I wouldn't swop him for any other SL fullback

Just reading through the 'stat' posts and realise that these cold stats prove absolutely nothing without factoring in a couple of variables.

What would the FB stats look like on a 'per game' basis when we take into account that Wellens didn't play the entire season at FB and Zak was sat on the sidelines for a significant chunk of the season?

No you questioned whether he could perform against the better sides because he didn't play well in those final few games against Wigan, Saints and Catalans asked.....



I just highlighted that whilst he didn't perform well in those last few games, he can and has performed against those sides.

If you "can't be d" why get into an argument?

The SL do not find per carry stats laughable. They publish them to show the average metre gain in the official SL stats. Take a look some time. And they are used by coaches to assess peformance.



Oh yeah? But didn't you just say that comparing the number of carries was "laughable"


I can guess why you didn't also record the other stats! So I will supply the stats you chose to omit it:-

Hardaker made 3254 metres with an average gain of 8.14 with 103 tackle busts, 30 errors, 21 offloads and 4 penalties
Russell made 3548 metres with an average gain of 9.28 with 107 tackle busts, 21 errors, 28 offloads and 1 penalty

Moving back to the original discussion regarding attacking abilities of SL fullbacks I checked the list for you using your chosen stats method and it clearly shows 7 other fullbacks were better in the three key attacking stats on the SL site: ie; at try scoring, try assists and clean breaks. Laugh that one off



Difficult to pick just 3 or 4 out of the list of 7

Perhaps if you were able to use some stats to back up your claims then you would be more credible eh rhinoms

Coaches and managers make great used of their laptops.

With regard to errors the SL stats record 11 full backs with a lower error count than Hardaker and 3 with a higher error count.

I fully agree with Zak's excellent capabilities under the high ball and but this discussion was not about defense

Please do try though, we're all dying to know.

when did anyone ask who was ahead of Harkdaker in those 3 stats averages?
i asked who the 3 or 4 full back backs are who are at least as good as Hardaker.

It's 7 now apparently



Escare, Hanbury, Eden, Shaul, Bowen, Wellens and the almighty Luke Dorn

greg eden must be better as he plays for brisbane broncos,and he's the new billy slater