No I asked about his stats in the second half of the season against the better sides as you well knew You were selective in only choosing the poorer sides as proof of how good he had been in the second half. Your decision to use stats from earlier in the season were because the stats at the back end against the better sides weren't so hot? Nothing wrong with that it what everyone does on here - my point was JC was criticised for using the exact same tactic as you but your use of the tactic was overlooked.

Just like everyone else on here!! What it does show for me that he isn't the finished article and the stats suggest he isn't quite as far ahead of his peer group as some on here would suggest.

He's not the finished article attacking wise but I wouldn't swop him for any other SL fullback

Just reading through the 'stat' posts and realise that these cold stats prove absolutely nothing without factoring in a couple of variables.

What would the FB stats look like on a 'per game' basis when we take into account that Wellens didn't play the entire season at FB and Zak was sat on the sidelines for a significant chunk of the season?

Perhaps if you were able to use some stats to back up your claims then you would be more credible eh rhinoms

Coaches and managers make great used of their laptops.

With regard to errors the SL stats record 11 full backs with a lower error count than Hardaker and 3 with a higher error count.

I fully agree with Zak's excellent capabilities under the high ball and but this discussion was not about defense

It's 7 now apparently

Escare, Hanbury, Eden, Shaul, Bowen, Wellens and the almighty Luke Dorn

also, if anyone wants to play a game:

ive decided that wingers can be boiled down to their abilities via 3 main stats (tries, clean breaks & metres per carry) given that their job is to score tries and sometimes help a team out of their 20

Player A: a try every 14.55 carries; a clean break every 11.19 carries; 9.01 metres per carry
Player B: a try every 16.18 carries; a clean break every 12.95 carries; 9.08 metres per carry
Player C: a try every 26.43 carries; a clean break every 23.5 carries; 7.54 metres per carry

anyone want to guess which one is easily England's first choice winger, is in the Super League Dream Team, and was included in the World XIII (even though i can see from his stats he's a fat sack of crap)?