lots of over reactions on here.

we are not at our best right now but we always seem to have a spell, or lull if you will, at some point of the season and up until magic weekend we have been very good.we have built a solid platform in the league, semis in the cup things are looking good.im convinced performances will improve atleast in time for the cup semi.

I think the main thing is we got the result, although the performance was nothing short of abysmal. Credit the Leigh outfit, they put in a great effort and took us all the way, but the fact is Sinfield and Peacock combined are on more a week than the entire Leigh 17, train full time and thus, should have put at least 50 and towards 100 on them, as I'm sure Warrington, Saints and Wigan would.

For my money it suggest McDermott can't get the side up for the lesser games and allowed complacency to creep in.

The lesser games like away at Huddersfield, away at Saints, away at Warrington and Wigan at the Etihad?

I don't think it's got anything to do with "getting the team up" for any game. I reckon it's got do with some players either not liking a physical confrontation or not dealing with it well enough. Because that's what we got in all the games we've not won this season.

Have to agree on that front, think we tend to bottle it when teams get nasty! Our heads seem to go and the handling errors begin to creep in. We've shown in years gone by we can mix it with the best, but so far this season, we've been found wanting in that regard I think.

Agreed. Some of our team wither away and hide. Others like Peacock front up but get drawn into that battle then.

Can't deny that from JP yesterday - would just like to see him deliver it more in terms of scrapping against the big boys!!

the internet is made for people like you …

I know you have a bit of a love in for the coach Printer.
But the way we are playing you don't really think we are better than the likes of Wigan, Saints, Wire,Cas and Giants?
The last couple of games each one of those teams with the exception of Huddersfield who we play next have looked pretty good.
On the other hand we have looked pish poor
Now it might be a blip hence why I said recently.
But the way we are playing I can't see us beating the teams I have mentioned.
Hopefully Thursday I will be proved wrong and we will be the 5th best team in the league.

To use such a short time frame is ridiculous. Hudds were dismantled by Saints two weeks ago (Saints likewise vs Wire at Magic the week before) and were on for a hiding after the opening 20 vs Wigan last week.....but because they then had a good 60 minutes that means they're a better team than us? Like I said, ridiculous way of looking at things.

Can see where you are coming from Printer.
But I really think we are struggling to get any structure going.
We should have a few more of our under 19s pushing for a place now similar to Wigan.
Not sure how much beatings our current pack can take and with the slowest half backs in SL I cannot see where we can turn it round.
like I said maybe Thursday will prove me wrong mate.

That's the thing really, the key word structure.

Some think I'm allergic to throwing the Academy lads in and they point out how Wigan do it. But I just take into account the clubs have very different styles.

We do lack structure especially in attack at times so it's not as an easy environment to throw too many young lads in at once IMO. More experienced guys can cope with that better, for all our faults one of our positives is that we usually stay calm if we're behind on the scoreboard, on the back foot for a period in the game, it's taking us time to score points etc.

Just sometimes people saying it works for them (Wigan) so we should do it too is a bit too simplistic a view of things IMO.

In a much more logical way than most of the stuff you've posted on this thread.
You got caught out after blathering on about Leigh being no threat, they turn up and play mistake free football, defend superbly for 80 minutes, operate and stick to an effective game plan and create chances. We were lucky twice in the first half and very, very lucky once in the second half. Now you've come up with the magical theory that a team full of inexperienced players would have coped better with that than our best available side.
You really will post anything you think backs up your opinions no matter how wrong you are shown to be.
Your total misjudgement of the challenge Leigh posed ( thankfully not shared by our coach) really sums up your contributions to this board.

I am going to put that post down to a one off, and presume you are on your period, because I know you are better than that. What a really childish post for you.

I stated before the game that Leigh would be no threat. They shouldn't have been, and wouldn't have been for other super league sides, we were poor. The fact the bookies had them down as a 38 point start backs up that theory fully.

At no point, anywhere, have I suggested had we had a team full of inexperienced players we would have coped better. I suggest you grow up here, and read the thread fully. In the early pages, I actually agreed with fully with two other posters suggesting what the side should be, and it was a mixed side, and one that allowed enthusiasm and hunger, and the experience around it to hold it together. The fact that you only see one way or the other, is your problem not mine. The fact we were so poor, suggests exactly that a change would have been for the better.

I suggested Mulhern in the forwards, and Handley on the wing, with Minchella on the bench before the game began, and stick by that. I think that would have given us more hunger and enthusiasm, and would have served much better than what we got.

I agree with gotcha here, I give full credit to Leigh who really out enthused us at times but that doesn't mean they deserved to win, I felt we always had enough to win the game. I probably wouldn't have tampered with the backs, but I would have started singleton and either rested Kylie or put him on the bench and had either mulhern, or minichella on the bench in place of kirke.

You only have to look at the enthusiasm, and freshness Walters brought, a player who I thought looked pretty decent to say he's only been playing league a year ran hard and tackled hard.

For me it was our fitness levels that won us this game in the end - Leigh simply ran out of steam at the end and got sloppy, but for the first 70 mins they were with us blow for blow.