Dave Woods made a reference along these lines during the first half commentary, I believe. Unfortunately I hadn't read this thread when replaying so didn't take an undue amount of notice. Definitely first half though; I haven't had the stomach to replay the second yet.

Has someone else has said if an ex prop and an ex hooker can't work out what to do we're doomed I tell thee. I long for the days when Graham Murray could turn Andy Hay into a world beater! Imagine Kirke under Murrays guidance....

Andy Hay was never anything approaching a world beater. He was just lucky enough to be in a side that covered his deficiencies. Once he stepped up a level they were pretty brutally exposed.

Remind me again what Murray achieved in terms of trophies with an expensively assembled squad?

Murray took us from 'also rans' in every department, to winning the Challenge Cup and to the inaugural Grand Final; a fair achievement in my eyes.

And more importantly for me, we played some excellent rugby during his tenure - our defence back then was as brutal as I've ever seen a team. Look at the number of relatively unknown or mediocre players that he had punching above their weight. He knew where the individual brilliance was within the team, and he knew what gameplan to use to maximise those attributes - something sadly lacking at the moment. The under/Mis-use of Kallum Watkins being the perfect example.

Got to say i agree with superted AG he improved a lot of ordinary players and squeezed some real quality out of older players ala Glanville and Powell.

The Murray team was filled with brawn. That we hadn't seen in a Leeds team in years.

Relly? Aside from Harris who? It was always a transitional squad with a short shelf life.

I used to think gilders posts were good til that nonsensical rubbish.

IIRC Leeds paid transfer fees for Sheridan, Hay and Farrell from Sheffield didn't they? Richie Blackmore from Cas? Barrie McDermott from Wigan?

Of the 17 that played in the 1999 Final only Rivett, Cummins, Newton and Morley came through the club's academy system?

Bless, I'm hurt. No really, I am.

the 94-95 side bar such as mick worrall were prob more expensive in wages if not transfers than the 98-99 team

sheridan , hay ,farrell were part of hetherington's south yorks old boys
godden, massella & glanville were relatively unknown , mathiou can stay unknown , powell and fleary were part of the keighley rescue deal

the teamwork of the defence especially farrell & fleary was better than I can remember before /after.

Everyone knew the harris plan but we had some entertaining 2nd halves from it.

Hay looked good as a sub under Murray but not as a later starting player.

A win at Wembley?