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Quote: Sal Paradise "So you thought he/she should respect your decision to strike but you couldn't respect his/hers decision not to!!'"


No mate - it was a unanimous decision. That's why I used the word 'renaged'. I thought that was clear. Anyway, that wasn't the point. I was trying to say if you work within a small team or department, and everyone else takes a particular course of action, and you don't, then it will be remembered.

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Quote: vernon "No mate - it was a unanimous decision. That's why I used the word 'renaged'. I thought that was clear. Anyway, that wasn't the point. I was trying to say if you work within a small team or department, and everyone else takes a particular course of action, and you don't, then it will be remembered.'"


So as I say again - you are expected to respect the views of others but they are not expected to respect yours?

Unions know this and use it as means of getting people to strike against their wishes.

If that is what happened in your workplace and you were party to it - shame on you.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "All banks were bailed out, they would have all gone. Not just the ones in dire need, but the relatively strong ones, who if we had come to the financial armaggedon which was possible, would have been irreperably harmed. WHilst only limited banks actually recieved money, all of them were bailed out.

And what I am pointing out to you is that we Are all stakeholders in our business. Not just the shareholders. If you want a true free market where these companies have no responsibility to the wider society then fine, but the government help offered to these companies also needs removing. That means the government not allowing big companies to avoid tax in any way shape or form, it means a tax levy which doesn’t encourage business but takes the maximum amount out possible, it means no help for companies, no subsidies, no investments in infrastructure which helps business, no tax breaks, no trade missions, no entreprise zones, if the people arent stakeholders in business then business doesnt benefit the people and the business deserves no benefit from the people.'"


The collection of tax is a trade off - in order to increase the overall tax takes you have to leave some loop holes through which a few will find a way to avoid the tax. If you apply dreaconian measures everywhere it is very likely the overall tax take will fall.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "
I have always believed that we should consider the personal qualities of the propective MP as well as their political colour. (as in Blue, Red and Yellow.... for G1 benefit)'"


I have always believed that we should be able to to do that. However, as long as there is a whip I have no faith in that.

My MP has an impressive track record of ignoring questions raised by his constituents. However, since this is a ludicrously safe Tory seat, he will be re-elected by huge majority if he stands again regardless of his stance on any issues or his (near zero) engagement with constituents outside his own party.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Barclays, HSBC Standard Charter etc were not bailed out. '"


Perhaps not directly but the sector they operate in was on a global scale and they will have benefitted greatly from that.

Economies don't stand alone. UK based banks - amongst other things - lend money to overseas banks, they lend money to their countries citizens, those citizens buy our exports, we all to some extent rely on each other in the global economy.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "So as I say again - you are expected to respect the views of others but they are not expected to respect yours?

Unions know this and use it as means of getting people to strike against their wishes.

If that is what happened in your workplace and you were party to it - shame on you.'"


Huh ?

No, the individual involved was fully supportive of the proposed industrial action, indeed was a ring-leader. Then, without telling anyone, the perosn back tracked, went into work, and helped management keep the key operations ticking over. If the person had said "No, I don't support a strike, and am working" I think everyone would have respected that standpoint. That's why I said 'Reneged' - understand ?

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I think the point Sal is making is that the person has the right to have their decision respected regardless of the timing and circumstances it was made in. People frequently change their minds to take almost a polar opposite view for a variety of reason, but shouldn't be ostracized as a result.

Until you walk a mile in another man's shoes, you simply can't expect to understand their logic and reasoning.

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Quote: tvoc "Perhaps not directly but the sector they operate in was on a global scale and they will have benefitted greatly from that.
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I do not follow your logic that says if some of your competitors have been bailed out with public money this somehow greatly benefits you? Surely the opposite is true ie: had these bailed out banks been allowed to go bust then those banks that were left would then greatly benefit!

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I do not follow your logic that says if some of your competitors have been bailed out with public money this somehow greatly benefits you? Surely the opposite is true ie

Banks lend money to each other - when one bank fails, it means one or more of the other banks who lent it money are suddenly out of pocket to a fairly significant amount.

This impacts on their ability to pay back the banks who they have borrowed money from, putting them in a similar situation.

Pretty soon the whole thing topples over like a line of dominoes.

That's why the whole of the banking sector benefitted from the specific bail outs.

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[color=#FF0000:15chn0re][b:15chn0re]Join the British Sarcastic Party....... Yeah like we really need your Support[/b:15chn0re][/color:15chn0re]:



will labour mps cross a picket line next wednesday if there was one in front of parliment?

comrade Kirkstaller rise up against the opressive Bourgeois if you have a just claim to keep the bloated pension structure that i should all be equal for every citizen

or have the day off to spend in the lovely peak district or yorkshire moors

or go to work

It would have been a great thril ride to see the banks collapse in stoke no one would have noticed any difference icon_lol.gif

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Quote: batleyrhino "I think the point Sal is making is that the person has the right to have their decision respected regardless of the timing and circumstances it was made in. People frequently change their minds to take almost a polar opposite view for a variety of reason, but shouldn't be ostracized as a result.

Until you walk a mile in another man's shoes, you simply can't expect to understand their logic and reasoning.'"


This is wise. Before you judge a man, you should walk a mile in his shoes.

That way, when he hears your judgement, you'll be a mile away. And you'll have his shoes.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: El Diablo "This is wise. '"
The only other time I've seen the word Wise used in reference to Batley Rhino was when someone said his short, fat hairy legs were reminiscent of Ernies.





[sizeLadies and gentlemen, this 1970s Morecambe and Wise reference is brought to you by the pending repeats of Christmas Specials on UK gold this coming month.[/size

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hmmmm, the words pot, kettle and black spring easily to mind......

I do hope the "The Guns of Navarone" is on that Christmas list as well!

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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK:



Quote: BillyRhino "hmmmm, the words pot, kettle and black spring easily to mind......

I do hope the "The Guns of Navarone" is on that Christmas list as well!'"

as well as She wore a yellow ribbon ,and The great Escape

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: BillyRhino "hmmmm, the words pot, kettle and black spring easily to mind......
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How dare you, I waxmy legs.

I'm hoping for Scrooged, with Bill Murray.

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