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Did Melbourne send the best team they could muster for last season's WCC then?'"


Did Inglis play, did Cameron Smith play?
So did Leeds play a full strength Melbourne no!! but a more worthy victory than the one against Canterbury?

Think we all agree the victory over Melbourne was the start of the overseas sides taking the WCC seriously - how many did Leeds/SL sides win subsequently?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Did Inglis play, did Cameron Smith play?
So did Leeds play a full strength Melbourne no!! but a more worthy victory than the one against Canterbury?

Think we all agree the victory over Melbourne was the start of the overseas sides taking the WCC seriously - how many did Leeds/SL sides win subsequently?'"

That's not what tvoc was saying is it?
If by taking it seriously you mean making sure they paid their squad even more than they were allowed then in Melbournes case you are right.
Manly took it very seriously and won comfortably whereas St George planned a weeks holiday and still won it.

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Quote: rhinoms "That's not what tvoc was saying is it?
If by taking it seriously you mean making sure they paid their squad even more than they were allowed then in Melbournes case you are right.
Manly took it very seriously and won comfortably whereas St George planned a weeks holiday and still won it.'"


On Melbourne - had it been a GF would Inglis and Smith played? so was it the best they could muster or the best they chose to muster - only the Storm know?

The difference was St George didn't need to plan like Manley - they were that superior - good job any SL didn't play them now it would have been a serious embarrassment.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Did Inglis play, did Cameron Smith play?
So did Leeds play a full strength Melbourne no!! but a more worthy victory than the one against Canterbury?'"


Did Inglis play - eh ... Yes
Did Smith play - eh ... Yes

Quote: Sal Paradise "Think we all agree the victory over Melbourne was the start of the overseas sides taking the WCC seriously - how many did Leeds/SL sides win subsequently?'"


Leeds lost V Melbourne last season (2010) which is the game 'we' were discussing last season not the Leeds win from 2008.

You remember it's the one you said we'd have to wait and see which team Melbourne put out in Round 1 of the NRL season to see how serious they were taking the WCC.

You remember it was the thread you never returned to:

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Did Inglis play, did Cameron Smith play?
So did Leeds play a full strength Melbourne no!! but a more worthy victory than the one against Canterbury?'"


Did Inglis play - eh ... Yes
Did Smith play - eh ... Yes

Quote: Sal Paradise "Think we all agree the victory over Melbourne was the start of the overseas sides taking the WCC seriously - how many did Leeds/SL sides win subsequently?'"


Leeds lost V Melbourne last season (2010) which is the game 'we' were discussing last season not the Leeds win from 2008.

You remember it's the one you said we'd have to wait and see which team Melbourne put out in Round 1 of the NRL season to see how serious they were taking the WCC.

You remember it was the thread you never returned to:

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Quote: tvoc "Did Inglis play - eh ... Yes
Did Smith play - eh ... Yes

Leeds lost V Melbourne last season (2010) which is the game 'we' were discussing last season not the Leeds win from 2008.

You remember it's the one you said we'd have to wait and see which team Melbourne put out in Round 1 of the NRL season to see how serious they were taking the WCC.

You remember it was the thread you never returned to:


Sorry thought you were talking about the game we actually won.

Did melbourne take it seriously - the only only person who really knows is Craig Bellamy - end of.

Only a fool would believe the WCC is as important to a NRL side as the regular league is? The reason the NRL sides are now winning is an illustration of the widening gap in standards between the two leagues - something that was well exposed when the quad nations was played - would you not agree.

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I linked to the thread that was running last season. See for yourself from this post forward
That is the comparison that should be made with the team that plays on Sunday IMO - if the two sides are pretty similar 1/2 changes then that is a good indication that Melbourne have given the game the gravitas some on here believe it deserves - however if the side show 6/7 changes then you know they have treated the WCC as a warm up game.

Time will tell'"


Time did tell (1 change in Round 1 of the NRL season), again and again and again, that Melbourne had sent and played the best squad that was available to them despite your earlier claim that

It was proven (by your own terms) that Melbourne had sent the very best squad that they had available (notwithstanding several injuries) to the WCC game V Leeds in 2010.

Unfortunately you failed to contribute further back then but here's your chance now.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "All well and good - name a top quality centre that has come to SL since Lyon? These players are in very short supply - there are 6-10 in the game, they all play in the NRL - a player of suitable quality will not come here whilst they are still able to compete in the NRL.

Watkins is the future and the efforts should be spent developing him physically to stand up to the rigours of the game and playing to get his standards up to the correct level.

There are only 3 you centres in SL who may be suitable Arundel, Evans and Whelham IMO - sadly Clubb looks have gone backwards - possible coaching/environment issue.'"

Matt King, although he was poor for at least his first season

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Quote: Sal Paradise "My response is simple the only people who know how seriously Melbourne took this game are the coaches and players of the Storm. Anything else is opinion - is yours any more valid than mine no - is mine any more valid than yours no - simple really?'"


You set a criteria from which to be able to make a reasonable assessment. I didn't contest your stated yardstick as it seemed reasonable also to me as a fair indication of Melbourne's intent.

When that criteria failed to back your view you disappeared from the thread despite it being brought back to the top of the front page week after week with each new Melbourne team selection in the NRL Regular Rounds. Those selections clearly indicating that Melbourne had brought their best squad available only missing those individuals who were injured at the time and would remain unavailable in the opening rounds back in the NRL.

More than a year on and you appear only to want to distance yourself from your original benchmark and instead introduce a new hypothesis, that a collection of Australian and New Zealander sportsmen with a highly competitive coach could be somewhat indifferent to putting one over the English with a World title at stake.

So earlier when you questioned (although it appeared more like a statement or at least rhetorical in nature)

you're still not prepared to do so in this instance?

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