Pretty much. No longer an exceptional player but hardly alone in that.

How many times does he give away penalties or gets sin binned or sent off.
Its costing us points and games !

He's been sh##.
Lets not forget we signed an England BR & hot a poundland one.
Never Captain material & his brain farts & Briscoes invisible man impression cost us that game last week.
At ST's we were in control 2 dumb cheap penalties from yer man they score twice maintain their momentum & finish us off.
Whilst i agree its not ALL his fault he aint half good & helping us lose most weeks.

Good post.
I agree he has not been a good signing and i wouldn't renew his contract, but he doesn't deserve some of the stick he gets on here.

Not just the amount of penalties but the times he conceded them on Saturday were an absolute killer. think the sin binning was on the handover then the one for the high tackle was when we were looking like containing them- granted we'd probably have screwed up whatever kick they put in...

Coaches are obviously seeing something a lot of us aren't so I expect him to get another 2 years at the end of this one. I would hope on much reduced terms given we signed an England international...

Catalans game aside (and yes, his indiscipline played a major part in the loss) he's been pretty decent for us this season - pretty much as Marty says.

Unfortunately it's just one of the (many) signings which hasn't worked out.

I'd be disappointed if we re-signed Ferres because his best years are clearly behind him, and as he slows down all he has left it this annoying niggle. We do lack toughness but not at the expense of penalties at critical, momentum-changing moments when we're under the pump as a club.

He is a solid RL player but doesn't seem to have the match-winning spark we badly need these days.

Nothing against him, he's been very unlucky with injuries with us. I just think the salary would be better spent elsewhere from 2020 onwards.

Pretty decent to what? to his team mates? probably so but that isn't saying much. But to other players in the comp, he has been a million miles away from pretty decent, he has been complete garbage.

Sorry Marty but I dissagree with your post up above, he deserves all he gets. Not for the general performance, as he is limited, thats the clubs fault for employing him. But for his general attitude and discipline there is no excuse at all, he deserves all the absuse he gets in that regards.

Unfortunately he a bit like Marmite you either like him or hate him. He gives stupid penalties away in positions where the team can hurt us, (a bit like Ablett) but generally his defence is good. We wont have him for Thursday night whereas the right hand side of the defence has been like a sieve letting in tries, the side he plays on has generally performed better. We will see this Thursday where the Cas tries come from, I hope that if the left hand side turns out like the right hand side of our defence in the future we will give him a little more respect. Unfortunately comments on here go a lot deeper that the effort he puts in. Yes he was stupid last Saturday so you don't need to remind me.

He is good in D until he gives away the predictable, critical penalties for unnecessary niggle. JJB very similar IMO, always liable for disciplinary brain farts, hands in the ruck or messing about on the tackled player.

Going forward been really disappointing, hardly seen him bust the line or put an offload out it seems. Merrin has come in and is leading the offload table straight off, and generally looks a better version of Ferres.

Sometimes work in defence does go unnoticed, but it's no good tackling well if you then put 12 of your teammates in oxygen debt because you regularly do something stupid 2-3 times per game which they need to cover your backside for. It's exactly in these small margins where we're losing games, we must tighten up what we can control.

You people are idiots. He's not even the most penalised player on the team. That's what I pay marquee money for.

Not that I disagree with you but Merrin is our worst offender in the penalty department this year, he leads that table too (for the Rhinos not the league)

Interestingly or not (as results are really all that matter) we as a team are doing pretty good in the KPI department in the stats league, Hurrell top metre maker, Handley top try scorer and Merrin top offloader, but I suspect the fact we as a team are top of the error stats league and 3rd in missed tackles is more interesting.

Hurrell and Walker are in the top 2 positions for tackle busts and Handley is the top for clean breaks and as a club we are the top in the stats charts for those two aswell.

Hull KR's stats don't read well though with way more errors than other teams - We should be winning our game against them, however games aren't played on paper