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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"It's all well and good throwing stats around how good did those stats look against ST's ,Wigan ,Wire away??'"
his stats against
St's away: 124 metres 30 tackles
St's home: 119 metres 30 tackles
Wigan away: 132 metres 27 tackles
Wigan home: 128 metres 40 tackles
Wire away: 58 metres 40 tackles
Wire home: 115 metres 23 tackles
what annoys me is people talking about him like he's embarrassing himself out there, or that he's a pale imitation of a prop, and should retire right now
people said he looked poor against Hull and yet still made 135 metres and 26 tackles
he might not be as good as a few years back, but he's still a very good prop imho, not based on stats, but what i see on the field
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"Quote Neruda="rhinoms"It's all well and good throwing stats around how good did those stats look against ST's ,Wigan ,Wire away??'"
his stats against
St's away: 124 metres 30 tackles
St's home: 119 metres 30 tackles
Wigan away: 132 metres 27 tackles
Wigan home: 128 metres 40 tackles
Wire away: 58 metres 40 tackles
Wire home: 115 metres 23 tackles
what annoys me is people talking about him like he's embarrassing himself out there, or that he's a pale imitation of a prop, and should retire right now
people said he looked poor against Hull and yet still made 135 metres and 26 tackles
he might not be as good as a few years back, but he's still a very good prop imho, not based on stats, but what i see on the field'"
Agree he is still quality, he is past his best but he is still got something to offer, i do think we need to use him more sparingly but i dont think we should be calling for him to hang up his boots just yet. Apparantly Roger federer is past it, but he still produced a great game yesterday to win his 7th wimbledon title
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| Don't you just love it when fans get all precious about their beloved heroes.
All those stating Peacock is shot, not least myself, are simply advocating the man is not treated as the young man he no longer is. He is flogged uneccessarily week after week.
He should be used more sparingly; perhaps utilised as an 'impact sub'. By now the likes of Amor, Singleton and Daniel Smith should have been gradually introduced into the future team they are presumably destined for. Instead all are playing their rugby elsewhere.
Even Ward who has managed to buck the trend has already played scrum half and second row: not what I would consider conducive to his development. Select him at SO or LF (depending on Sinfield's input I guess) and bluddy keep him there.
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"Even Ward who has managed to buck the trend has already played scrum half and second row: not what I would consider conducive to his development. Select him at SO or LF (depending on Sinfield's input I guess) and bluddy keep him there.'"
what is his kicking game like, if he is to play stand-off?
and do you think his body is up to making 30+ tackles week in, week out, in the middle of the pitch, at 18 years old?
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"what is his kicking game like, if he is to play stand-off?
and do you think his body is up to making 30+ tackles week in, week out, in the middle of the pitch, at 18 years old?'"
Probably no worse than McGuire's ....and probably more so than playing in the second row. Besides would that be his main role ?? I remember the likes of the willing Graham Eccles/Roy Powell been the team tackling machine to allow the likes of Phil Cookson/Paul Medley to take on the running role. Starting Chris Clarkson would take care of a lot of the tackling responsibility to allow the runners (if we had them in the squad) to take on the line breaking role.
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"his stats against
St's away: 124 metres 30 tackles
St's home: 119 metres 30 tackles
Wigan away: 132 metres 27 tackles
Wigan home: 128 metres 40 tackles
Wire away: 58 metres 40 tackles
Wire home: 115 metres 23 tackles
what annoys me is people talking about him like he's embarrassing himself out there, or that he's a pale imitation of a prop, and should retire right now
people said he looked poor against Hull and yet still made 135 metres and 26 tackles
he might not be as good as a few years back, but he's still a very good prop imho, not based on stats, but what i see on the field'"
What those stats don't show especially Wigan at home is the way the younger forwards battered us and in particular him.
He's way over-used and even if his figures look good on paper is that what everyone is seeing on the pitch week in week out?
It's not just JP though i think Kylies time is just about up and i do think the coaches should be rotating them much more and giving less minutes and games he can't do 60/70 minute stints anymore.
I don't think anyone is caling him embarrassing either that would just be wrong he's just older and less effective it happens even to great players like JP and many others this year have been discussed when their performances have been poor aswell.
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"Don't you just love it when fans get all precious about their beloved heroes.
All those stating Peacock is shot, not least myself, are simply advocating the man is not treated as the young man he no longer is. He is flogged uneccessarily week after week.
He should be used more sparingly; perhaps utilised as an 'impact sub'. By now the likes of Amor, Singleton and Daniel Smith should have been gradually introduced into the future team they are presumably destined for. Instead all are playing their rugby elsewhere.'"
Peacock obviously isn't as good as he was (say) 3 years ago, I'm not disputing that.
Nor am I disputing that he appears to have been overused and looked knackered in recent weeks. I don't agree that he should be used as an impact prop from the bench - he's just not that sort of player, what are you on?! If anything he still needs to start but should be spelled more effectively as rhinoms suggests (with the rest of the pack doing their fair share) and rested more frequently against non-top 8 opposition.
But this is a far cry from saying he is past it or 'shot', which are emotive phrases often used to suggest a player is ready for imminent retirement. He's not, and the stats back that up, as does what I see with my own two eyes. Out of curiosity, which other props at the club are capable of 100 metres a game? Genuinely interested to know... tvoc?
This may be hard for you Nantwich but I doubt we'll see McDermott bringing in any more youngsters or making radical changes this season unless so forced by injury. We're approaching the business end now and he'll want the most experienced players in who have proven that they can get the job done in the past. You might as well save your breath for next season 
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Quote Neruda="Neruda"what is his kicking game like, if he is to play stand-off?
and do you think his body is up to making 30+ tackles week in, week out, in the middle of the pitch, at 18 years old?'"
His own preference is to play stand-off, but obviously as a young guy he'll play where he's told:
"There’s a lot more tackling to do at loose-forward and you find yourself a lot more fatigued during the game,” he said. “I think I prefer stand-off because you’ve got more in the tank for attacking and I get the ball in my hands more. I get a chance to dictate things more, but I don’t mind either position really.”
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-4686643
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Quote Neruda="Neruda"what is his kicking game like, if he is to play stand-off?
and do you think his body is up to making 30+ tackles week in, week out, in the middle of the pitch, at 18 years old?'"
His own preference is to play stand-off, but obviously as a young guy he'll play where he's told:
"There’s a lot more tackling to do at loose-forward and you find yourself a lot more fatigued during the game,” he said. “I think I prefer stand-off because you’ve got more in the tank for attacking and I get the ball in my hands more. I get a chance to dictate things more, but I don’t mind either position really.”
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-4686643
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| Just needs to be used better, and rested more.
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| Some of his work making those yards is offset slighty by the increasingly very slow PTB's that often follow them. We usually have 2 props on the bench and gone are the days when Peacock could do a large chunk of the work and the others chip in, we need all props in a matchday 17 to be sharing the workload more evenly whoever gets picked and looking at the stats it shows the number of carries attempted by Peacock is way higher than any of the other props.
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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"Just needs to be used better, and rested more.'"
This.
Anyone who underestimates JP is asking for trouble.
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| Quote Exeter Rhino="Exeter Rhino"Peacock obviously isn't as good as he was (say) 3 years ago, I'm not disputing that.
Nor am I disputing that he appears to have been overused and looked knackered in recent weeks. I don't agree that he should be used as an impact prop from the bench - he's just not that sort of player, what are you on?! If anything he still needs to start but should be spelled more effectively as rhinoms suggests (with the rest of the pack doing their fair share) and rested more frequently against non-top 8 opposition.
But this is a far cry from saying he is past it or 'shot', which are emotive phrases often used to suggest a player is ready for imminent retirement. He's not, and the stats back that up, as does what I see with my own two eyes. Out of curiosity, which other props at the club are capable of 100 metres a game? Genuinely interested to know... tvoc?
This may be hard for you Nantwich but I doubt we'll see McDermott bringing in any more youngsters or making radical changes this season unless so forced by injury. We're approaching the business end now and he'll want the most experienced players in who have proven that they can get the job done in the past. You might as well save your breath for next season
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Aye you might be right  ......unless Potter gets the job in the meantime of course 
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