Yes looks to have the Kirke syndrome, does as little as possible.
Little if any impact going forward and not the best defender in the world.
However their forwards walked all over us last night and did we ever stop Manu making at least 20 metres the majority of the time.
Are pack is aging and it is certainly showing this season.

Peacock [idid[/i play well, but I do think the good performances will become progressively fewer .....as with all of our 30 plus forwards. I know I am perhaps obsessed

with bringing in the kids, but I cannot understand the logic in only introducing them when the 'first teamers' are unavailable (through injury or suspension) in a then less controllable selection scenario.

I'm glad somebody else agrees that Griffin is [unot[/u presently justifying his selection ....an ideal opportunity to give Singleton an extended run surely ?? As already stated Ward should now be the regular IMO instead of the incumbent much less talented Kirke.

Why do people want to put hall to centre

Perhaps the answer is - to see him receive a pass.

I already posted yesterday on another thread that IMO Griffin is lacking his early impact.

I am all for giving the youngsters a chance but had we done that against the in form Hull of the other night I fear we would have lost by many more points and it could have dented their confidence. Better to blood them in an easier fixture and when they come on when the side is in better form.

IMO JP is improving his form as the season progresses and is now our best performing prop.

Kirke and Ward fulfill different roles in the side and and are not really interchangeable. Kirke is being used as a reliable (if not high impact

) interchange and to be fair has been playing well in recent games and did some valuable tackling against Hull. Ward is a talented pivotal 13 who can play in the halves and should not be used as cannon fodder as his time will come.

Most coaches will play their best/most experienced players as first choices unless they are unfit or really badly out of form. Since injuries to key players distrupted our form we have been inconsistent but the players know what needs fixing and they have the experience to do just that. With several players set to become available again with a bit of luck we can regain the all inportant momentum and have the chance to climb the tables over the next month to put us in a better position for the run in.

In all seriousness I thought we would have seen some improvement in the supply of the winger but it doesn't seem to be getting better. Still hopeful it will improve but I prefer Nantwich idea of moving him to FB as aPpose to stand off!

I seem to remember reading in YEP that hall has set up more trys for hardaker than visa versa

Whichever way one looks at it this dearth of possession for one of our most potent attacking weapons is a tragedy/travesty.
If moving him to centre is too radical for some including the coach it would appear....then why NOT switch him to the right wing where his service from Watkins/Ablett would improve tenfold.

I like Hardaker, but he aint learning how to make that pass......until he does Hall should be moved.

BUT that's my point.....the club does NOT do this. We only see them introduced when the side is lacking the usual suspects. Ward at scrum half (not his best position) is just the most recent example.

My first team choice would indeed be:

Hardaker
BJB
Watkins
Hall
Chisholm
Ward
McGuire

Singleton
Lunt
Peacock/Griffin/Lleulai/Moore/any other old has been
JJB
Bailey
Sinfield

Burrow
Hood/Webb
Delaney/Ablett/Hauraki/L.Smith/Clarkson/any other reasonable but not aussie national team quality player
D.Smith

You are spot on Juan.

Griffin for a number of weeks has been going through the motions. He has always been questionable in defence tracking back and his tackling technique when looked at closely is hardly textbook. But he made up for these short-comings with a good bit of direction and size with his carries. But he's hardly winning any collisions, going down way too easy, and you really have to go out of your way to notice him. He needs to step-up. I remember when he made his debut for Leeds, he just played one brief stint with Mac remarking that he had to earn his game time. In that case, more work requied Griff.

A bloke I know who follows the Giants said that Griff was more or less in the Top 2 prop performers for them week-in week-out. Maybe his move to a bigger club, where he isn't needed as much, as seen him fade into the background. Either way Kirkes out-playing him at present.

Out of interest, have you EVER seen Chisholm, Singleton or Daniel Smith (or Aston Wilson) play?