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| Quote The Eagle="The Eagle"Making tackles at fullback is very different to making tackles in the line. Its much harder to do. Having said that, they were pretty poor efforts. He also go handed off too easily by O'Louchlin'"
True but Webb is a specialist experienced International fullback of whom we can expect better. These days he is just not committed enough in defence and is constantly out of position. When we are defending our line he is invariably 2-6 metres from where he should be when following the ball to the wings. Also he is not good at shepherding a breakaway attacker in the direction of where he (Webb) is best place to make the tackle (normally towards the touch line side) and so he is often left grasping thin air as the attacker cuts inside him. His tendency to go high in the tackle means he can be handed/muscled off.
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"I didn't state we lost because of Sinfield at SO. Elsewhere I stated we got battered in the forwards ( with the one major exception of JJB ).
It has been suggested before Webb could be tried at SO ...with McGuire remaining at SH ....and Sinfield to LF.. Why not ?
It would of course allow either BJB or Smith to be free to claim the FB position.
Without a doubt Burrow is best used as the super sub and that is where he should be utilised most effectively.'"
Webb to SO is a possible option to consider this season but would he put in the tackles that Sinfield does? I do not think the coach will make too many changes to the successful GF winning formula for the WCC.
The loss of such a key player as Buderus has seen him experiment with Burrow as first choice replacement 9. So far this has not born sufficient fruit although against Wigan Burrow was our best creative attacker But this decision may have been forced by the injury to Hood. Burrow playing at 9 was not the reason for our defeat at Wigan and as he was one of our few better players how could you consider replacing him with McShane?
If McShane were to make the starting line up who would you replace to bring Burrow off the bench? If it is McShane then Burrow would have to play at 9. If you consider Burrow a better player than McShane then this is why the coach has tried starting Burrow at 9. In the key games last year when Burrow made such an impact off the bench often Buderus remained on the field and a back rower was replaced. This year without Buderus we do not have that luxury so the coach has to do a bit of fiddling until Hood is fit again
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| Talking to a chappy at the weekend, who believes that there are around 18 to 20 on the coaching staff at HQ. If he's right, is it too late in Danny Maggs career to get one of them to eradicate the flail and flop style of tackle he's perfected over the last couple of seasons?
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"Webb to SO is a possible option to consider this season but would he put in the tackles that Sinfield does? I do not think the coach will make too many changes to the successful GF winning formula for the WCC.
The loss of such a key player as Buderus has seen him experiment with Burrow as first choice replacement 9. So far this has not born sufficient fruit although against Wigan Burrow was our best creative attacker But this decision may have been forced by the injury to Hood. Burrow playing at 9 was not the reason for our defeat at Wigan and as he was one of our few better players how could you consider replacing him with McShane?
If McShane were to make the starting line up who would you replace to bring Burrow off the bench? If it is McShane then Burrow would have to play at 9. If you consider Burrow a better player than McShane then this is why the coach has tried starting Burrow at 9. In the key games last year when Burrow made such an impact off the bench often Buderus remained on the field and a back rower was replaced. This year without Buderus we do not have that luxury so the coach has to do a bit of fiddling until Hood is fit again'"
So you think Hood is McDermott's first choice starting hooker and McShane a distant third ? Why was he given the no.9 shirt ?
Yes I would bring on Burrow as interchange to McShane ... But if the latter is playing exceptionally well then cannot Burrow come on as SH ??
Webb should be tried at SO if only to make way for BJB ( or Smith ) at FB
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|  [iSmith or BJB at fullback...[/i
Hmmm. I'm not convinced Nantwich. One does a very good imitation of a turnstyle, whilst the other displayed zero confidence under the high ball last season.
Still, if we're going the retro route, can I be the first to start a bring back Diskin campaign, as we appear to have a bit of a problem around the No.9 position?
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| The fact that we were after Heath L'Estrange before he got injured, coupled with McShane's freezing out even when on decent form midway through last season would indicate exactly what the hierarchy think about whether McShane is capable of taking on the No.9 shirt. A failure of recruitment (Wakefield bought a pretty good hooker from the NRL, by the way) and the injury to Hood has left us with make-do and mend, although I can't see Burrow as starting hooker being the answer in any circumstance.
As has been pointed out previously, our good performances last season came with Burrow playing 7 (albeit off the bench), McGuire 6, Sinfield 13 and Buderus still on as 9. It's a complete myth that Burrow was an interchange hooker. On those occasions earlier in the season when he did come on for Buderus against decent teams more often than not our defensive structure went to pot and we started shipping points.
No doubt the club see Hood as the future, and he may well be. But James Roby, who emerged with Saints at around the same age, spent how many years as secondary 9 before gradually taking on the full job without it doing his long-term development anything but good?
In short: if the club aren't confident enough in McShane for him to start then they should have recruited in the summer. The only other reasoning is that they're pandering to senior player-power that Sinfield MUST play 6 and Burrow MUST start and trying to fit square pegs in round holes on that basis. The above players may well have earnt the right to dictate these terms, but it does make the coach's job more difficult.
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| Quote BillyRhino="BillyRhino":D [iSmith or BJB at fullback...[/i
Hmmm. I'm not convinced Nantwich. One does a very good imitation of a turnstyle, whilst the other displayed zero confidence under the high ball last season.
Still, if we're going the retro route, can I be the first to start a bring back Diskin campaign, as we appear to have a bit of a problem around the No.9 position?'"
You're right but I Daren't suggest Hall to FB
You could be onto something with the bring back Diskin campaign ... But think might prefer to see Lowes there ..... Hey I know.... what about Smithy ? ( do you think that one might duck under the radar ?? )
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"The fact that we were after Heath L'Estrange before he got injured, coupled with McShane's freezing out even when on decent form midway through last season would indicate exactly what the hierarchy think about whether McShane is capable of taking on the No.9 shirt. A failure of recruitment (Wakefield bought a pretty good hooker from the NRL, by the way) and the injury to Hood has left us with make-do and mend, although I can't see Burrow as starting hooker being the answer in any circumstance.
As has been pointed out previously, our good performances last season came with Burrow playing 7 (albeit off the bench), McGuire 6, Sinfield 13 and Buderus still on as 9. It's a complete myth that Burrow was an interchange hooker. On those occasions earlier in the season when he did come on for Buderus against decent teams more often than not our defensive structure went to pot and we started shipping points.
No doubt the club see Hood as the future, and he may well be. But James Roby, who emerged with Saints at around the same age, spent how many years as secondary 9 before gradually taking on the full job without it doing his long-term development anything but good?
In short: if the club aren't confident enough in McShane for him to start then they should have recruited in the summer. The only other reasoning is that they're pandering to senior player-power that Sinfield MUST play 6 and Burrow MUST start and trying to fit square pegs in round holes on that basis. The above players may well have earnt the right to dictate these terms, but it does make the coach's job more difficult.'"
Player power ! Now that DOES make sense.
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"So you think Hood is McDermott's first choice starting hooker and McShane a distant third ? Why was he given the no.9 shirt ?
Yes I would bring on Burrow as interchange to McShane ... But if the latter is playing exceptionally well then cannot Burrow come on as SH ??
Webb should be tried at SO if only to make way for BJB ( or Smith ) at FB'"
I do not know if BMcD favours McShane or Hood as first choice hooker but as the more experience of the two it is right he got the 9 shirt. Neither do I know if Hood has been more impressive on the training field since McShane got the 9 shirt.
What I do know is that Hood is injured and the coach is trying out Burrow as starting hooker. This may prove to be unsuccessfull but as the coach he is entitled to try things out without your approval. You may recall there were those last year that were most critical of the coach selecting Burrow on the bench and look how that experiement turned out....eh Nantwich!!! 
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"I do not know if BMcD favours McShane or Hood as first choice hooker but as the more experience of the two it is right he got the 9 shirt. Neither do I know if Hood has been more impressive on the training field since McShane got the 9 shirt.
What I do know is that Hood is injured and the coach is trying out Burrow as starting hooker. This may prove to be unsuccessfull but as the coach he is entitled to try things out without your approval. You may recall there were those last year that were most critical of the coach selecting Burrow on the bench and look how that experiement turned out....eh Nantwich!!!
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Actually If you check back you will see that is the direct opposite of the truth. I was an advocate of Burrow being better used as a sub dummy half long before the Leeds coach ....if not before Harrigan. I was also an advocate of Delaney being better used as a forward long before any Leeds coach.... if not before Bloodbath. I also expect a belated move of Hardaker to HIS best position 
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| Quote Harrigan="Harrigan"Keep Burrow as far away from 7 as possible!!!! He needs to be moved back to the bench ASAP so he can do the only thing he has ever been good at... exploiting gaps left by tired defenders.'"
Where did Burrow play when he came off the bench in game winning displays in the GF qualifier and the GF itself? It wasn't hooker.
When did McGuire last provide the kind of positive spark from half back that Burrow has given us?
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| We are playing our number 6 at 7, our 13 at 6 our 7 at 9 and our 9 is sat on the bench. All this means is instead of building pressure and scoring good team tries we are having to depend on indivual skill which gets us out of a hole on many occasions, but the skill should be the boost upon good team work, not the be all and end all.
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