Tomkins is a fine player and had a good series overall. He was not the only player under par on Saturday when IMO only Graham and JJB hit form. The coach should have brought Widdop on at FB when it was obvious Tomkins was under pressure. Had Tomkins then replaced Chase at 7 he would have would have had extra motivation to prove himself and run at them more often.

Our whole team seemed to be nervous early on and the pack lacked that fire they showed in previous games and allowed themselves to be dominated. Once this happened there was only going to be one result.

haha comedy gold. Average? hes light years ahead of any Leeds player of the past 10 years and you would love him in your team

True. Just imagine all the titles we could have won.

It's alright. He's found some rubbish Aussies to play instead:

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Good for him. I hope he dazzles the RU crowd, shows how good our game is and returns to play RL successfully for plenty of years. A Barbarians game is made for a broken-field runner like him.

Yes, it will do him the world of good to find out he's good at RU and play in front of an 82,000 crowd for the biggest match-fee of his life, at the same time finding out that their Australians are *rubbish* compared to our Australians. Can't see how that would turn his head at all.

Do you really think he isn't aware of those facts already? Maybe this gets him the chance to play an international match in front of an 82,000 crowd, which he'll never get in RL in this country. If he gets that fix playing for the Barbarians every so often and stays in League, I'm all for it.

Doing well at a Barbarians exhibition and being good at RU are not entirely the same thing in any event.

I think it is a bit harsh to have a go at Tomkins when our half backs did nothing all game apart from the pass that put Hall in.
Our forwards whilst dominated by the Ausies did reasonably well.
Graham, Roby, Wilkin, JJB, and to a lesser extent JP and Westwood played ok for me.
Lockers and Thurston showed how it should be played and ran the show form start to finish.
Tomkins bombed a couple yes but he also took another high bomb pretty well.
Here at Leeds we have our very own Brent Webb who can do similar on a frequent basis.
Widdop to FB and Tomkins in the halves would have been my choice with 20 minutes to go. But then again I`m not the England coach.

He's not exactly weighed down with Grand final winners rings like most of our lads though is he? Have you ever heard the saying "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" ? Have a think about it and then ask yourself would Danny mcguire, Rob Burrow, Kevin Sinfield, Ryan Bailey, JJB etc swap 5 winners rings for the privilege of having played with Ratboy. I'm just glad the Four Nations is over so I can get back to hating him with my original intensity. He was crap at Elland Road and there's no getting away from it.

As a person Tomkins has done and said very little to endear himself to anyone other than the most ardent Wigan fans and the Sky numpties. Personally I think he needs to grow up a lot. Maybe then (as with James Graham) I might be able to like him a bit more.

As a player though, he is by far the most exciting young British talent I have seen for many, many years. He is tough, fast and elusive. He plays way above his weight and his bravery and commitment defending his line are unquestionable. Of course there are aspects of his game that he will need to work on but I've yet to see a 'complete' player at his age.

The whole may be greater than the sum of its parts, but it helps if the parts are quality to start with.
The game-breaking moments in this year's GF for example were flashes of individual brilliance from Rob Burrow. These are the sort of flashes that the likes of Tomkins can (and frequently does) bring to the game. I'd have him as 'part' of our 'whole' any day of the week.

Actually he's been OK under the high ball all this season. Not the best, but certainly not a great worry. After dropping the first one in this big match it did dent his confidence. Although a few minutes later he did take a great one.

I agree this season he's been letting Richards and Charnley run it back a lot more than I'd like. I thought maybe he had a slight injury towards the end of the season but didn't hear anything about it, Maybe not. He should run it back as often as possible since that's his greatest strength.



Quite possibly. Who knows though. Ryan Hall has been absolutely outstanding in this 4 nations.