If you can point me to a club that has had a sustained 15-20 year period of success on and off the field with no dips or troughs at any point in the history of the game David, I'm quite happy to accept that this what Leeds should be achieving.

Otherwise, I don't think it unreasonable to recognise that it just doesn't happen.

Nice to know you've lumped me in with two people whose opinions on the game I respect and have a lot of time for though, thanks.

He never said 15-20 year of success did he? wasn't it "solid performance" that he said?

Whilst I said above you came up with valid arguments 100% accurate. What you fail to see as a counternance to your argument is that the solid balance sheet you talk of came on the back of prolonged success, including two challenge cup finals and five Grand Finals. How do you expect that to continue if you are not in the same finals?

Everything you talk of as good off the field will soon diminish, as we prolong with a weakened side on the field, and more importantly a ground that does not compete with most of it's competitors. Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Huddersfield, and soon to be Hull and Catalans, are already leaving us behind on the field, off it ground wise and potential they will be light years ahead. With Salford, Cas, Widnes, not that far behind in that department.

Yep, When it comes to GH, I'm firmly in the MJM/Gilder camp, and take a fairly relaxed view that he has a pretty good idea of where this club is going.

Let me ask one thing. If the Leeds Board of Directors were thinking along the lines that the £6/10 million expenditure in the Southstand, plus the cost of the Northstand rebuild didn't make great financial sense.

Would we, as fans be too upset if a new stadium to the East of Leeds, or indeed, a shared facility somewhere down the ring road Pudsey way, was the way forward?

I love Headingley, but am not blind to its many defects as regards a 21st Century sporting venture, and simply wonder, if with their business hats on, Caddick et al could get a better and more secure return on the Rhinos brand from a different location.

Explain to me how Huddersfield and Hull FC - who are tenants to SMCs - are going to be "light years ahead" of Leeds in the near future? If it wasn't for Ken Davy underwriting cheap season tickets the Giants would still be playing to a quarter full stadium in which they have absolutely zero capital interest.

As for the comments about Salford, Cas and Widnes "not being far behind".

The time to do that would have been when YCCC were sold on the idea of moving to Durkar.

Too much investment has gone into the complex since to make moving away commercially justifiable, and that's before you get into the issue of how you raise the funds to finance a brand new 20-25k capacity stadium.

Although I believe GH Knows what he is doing some recent activity questions that, I would like to see ground develop over time but not at the expense of the on field team, the bulls may never recover for years from having a poor team over the past few years not that I am bothered

I just dont want us to spiral downwards in the same manner as a successful team has good support and any potential new stand needs to be full to help pay for it.

Get real Andy, 15 years - which figment of your imagination did that come from!!! all the fans are asking is that the club has a squad and facilities befitting the financial investment they have made. Given they are, after Wigan, the best supported club with the largest revenue streams it is not unreasonable. 4th to 7th is OK - it is true you do hanker after the days when following Leeds was a form of masochiam

And he still can't afford a new stand!!

So where has all the money gone - it hasn't gone on the ground, it hasn't gone on the players where is it!!

I always assumed that the Headingley complex cost Caddick/Hetherington the £6 million debt accrued under the previous ownership. We certainly got to hear about the debt for several seasons thereafter as the first 'cheque' written each month was the one to service it.

Perhaps it's fair to call £6million (in 1997) a pittance for the complex but it's not a term I'd use in 2011 considering it's still a sporting venue rather than the site of a Hyper market or retail park.

Couldn't have really been timed much better this could it....

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That is correct - debt was extinguished when the cricket ground was sold to YCCC for 11m?

Me too and there's little to add to what the posters from that camp have said in response to the knee jerkers whop are over reacting to on field issues and yesterday SOuth Stand press release.

The Club is turning over £10 million plus, has cash reserves, has contested one of the two major finals in every season since 2003 bar one and has just created the greatest ever legacy of championships in Super League's short history.

The South Stand Shennanigans and certain posters reactions to it remind me of the reactions to the Harris saga when GH lost the skirmish with the RFL allowing the Bulls to register him and was forced to apologise for saying the Bulls coerced Harris. Afterwards, similar questions were asked about GH and I'm certain posters like Bywater and Gotcha would have been full of their usual rhetoric. But, as someone earlier said, GH played the long game and we all know how that saga panned out.

I've no idea what the long game is with stadium developments but won't over react like some to yesterday's developments. I also know that Caddick and GH know a damn site more about the process than anyone questioning them on here.