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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos"
All I'm saying is that, once Chase had GOT to the corner, it is well within Webb's (at his best) skill set to have been able to tackle him. Comfortably. And he didn't. Because he is long since past his best. And yet we've renewed his contract.'" He did tackle him, just as he got to the line. Webb had the devils own job once he'd broken through. He had inside support. The next inside Leeds defender was Ryan Bailey. Yes Ryan bailey.
It was just an excellent finish. I am in no way critical of Webb foir his defence on that play. You are. I am glad we've re-signed Webb/ You are not. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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| If BJB gets the No. 1 squad number next year and Webb is used as cover, then fair enough.
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| Surely, as Full Back, Webb has to force Chase into making a play rather than standing off him and letting him dictate. In the collision there is a lot more scope to break up the play.
In my opinion BJB has good experience and by the start of next season he will have seen even more of Super League, he needs to be first choice full back.
Webb as cover? How much of our salary cap is he going to take up though?? If it has been negotiated at a lesser rate then perhaps.
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| Quote Wheels="Wheels"If BJB gets the No. 1 squad number next year and Webb is used as cover, then fair enough.'"
Agreed. We both know that isn't going to happen.
Quote Wheels="LocalSuperhero"Surely, as Full Back, Webb has to force Chase into making a play rather than standing off him and letting him dictate. In the collision there is a lot more scope to break up the play.
In my opinion BJB has good experience and by the start of next season he will have seen even more of Super League, he needs to be first choice full back.
Webb as cover? How much of our salary cap is he going to take up though?? If it has been negotiated at a lesser rate then perhaps.'"
Yep. My point exactly. He could've/should've done a whole lot more given he was at one time the best FB in the league. Running backwards and pointing is just like making his excuses before he's even made the mistake. Nobody would've blamed him for attempting the tackle and getting stepped, dummied, whatever. Just watching Chase run around him however... not good enough.
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| The more I consider him re-signing the more I don't like the decision. He has done some special things, but has stood out very little this year. He will clearly be first choice again next year.
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| Quote LocalSuperhero="LocalSuperhero"Webb as cover? How much of our salary cap is he going to take up though?? If it has been negotiated at a lesser rate then perhaps.'"
To be honest, this is exactly what I don't want decision makers thinking. I couldn't care less how much we're paying any player to sit in the stands if they're not performing on the field. I'd prefer to drop any player that has strung together a series of poor performances if we have adequate cover.
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| I agree, but they have taken him on another contract. I would like to see BJB given the reins at full back and I can't see that happening with Webb at the club. It's a shame cos he has been so good in the past, but time to move on for me.
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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos"Agreed. We both know that isn't going to happen.
Yep. My point exactly. He could've/should've done a whole lot more given he was at one time the best FB in the league. Running backwards and pointing is just like making his excuses before he's even made the mistake. Nobody would've blamed him for attempting the tackle and getting stepped, dummied, whatever. Just watching Chase run around him however... not good enough.'"
Or.... Just maybe.. he was using his skills as a fullback (honed over years playing top level RL) and was pointing to the support runners in communication with the other defeners coming back for them to pick up the support runners. If he makes the tackle when chase goes for the corner, it would have been hailed as top class full back play. Webb did everything right, apart from not making/missing the tackle when Chase stepped for the corner. Webbs pointing and back peddling allowed the defence to get back and prevent Chase using his support, he just didnt get his timing/positioning right to then make the tackle. Fair play, give him grief for that - but surely you cant think you've got better fullback decision making than Webb.
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| In that situation you have to take the man. Especially when a player like Chase is on you. So, in that situation, I agree with RR that Webb's decision making was poor.
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| The criticism for Webb on the chase try is very harsh. Chris clarksons late retreat from the ruck was exposed by chase leading to a poor effort from clarkson. Webb pointed to the covering defence to pick up the support, had he committed straight away the 2v1 would have left the cover short so he tried to delay chase decision making though didn't have the legs peddling back on a guy at the other end of his career.
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| Watch it back. Webb HAS to go for the man. He has several opportunities to attempt a tackle long before he does. The Leeds chasers (Hall who's cutting across, Watkins & Bailey - yes Bailey!) are quickly closing in on the supporting Cas player (Youngquest) and would've caught him long before the line.
Had Webb had attempted a tackle on Chase he would've a) Tackled him or b) forced the pass to Youngquest who would've been caught or c) slowed him down enough for Watkins & Hall to catch up.
You ask any coach... the Full Back in those situations should ALWAYS go for the man with the ball.
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| So just reading back a bit, am I right in thinking that people saw webbs pointing as him trying to pin the responsibility on the other covering defenders? If true I'd give in trying to express 'knowledge' of the game.
Also 9/10 I'd expect the ball carrier to win on a 1v1 in that situation.
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