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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"[uI don't recall anyone hyping him up to that level, except perhaps rhinoms[/u. He looked a promising young player at the start of last season but appears to have gone backwards since then.'"
Where do you get that sh#* from?
I 've called it the same as many others a player with great potential who i think will make it and if you read the coaches remarks about him they big him up more than i ever could.
has he really gone backwards or suffered form wise from lack of games?
Time will tell and like others in the past i'll bide my time before writing them off.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"I don't recall anyone hyping him up to that level, except perhaps rhinoms. He looked a promising young player at the start of last season but appears to have gone backwards since then.'"
Be fair, rhinoms didn't either. Infact far from it, rhinoms was one of the posters calling for McShane to wait for his turn, and have another year learning. But nobody as you said called McShane the next Buderus.
He does however place a lot of confidence in unproven players making the grade. Perhaps you got confused with that.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Be fair, rhinoms didn't either. Infact far from it, rhinoms was one of the posters calling for McShane to wait for his turn, and have another year learning. But nobody as you said called McShane the next Buderus.
[uHe does however place a lot of confidence in unproven players making the grade[/u. Perhaps you got confused with that.'"
Yep i can admit to that i do back their potential alot more than perhaps is warranted at times but like i said before i like to wait longer than most to before either writing them off or be proved wrong.
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| From what Ive seen hes decent going forward but could improve his defense, I think I'm right in saying he could do a decent job for us?
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| Quote Red-4-life="Red-4-life"From what Ive seen hes decent going forward but could improve his defense, I think I'm right in saying he could do a decent job for us?'"
I think so but like i pointed out he'll need a run of games before you can judge him.
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| Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"
Why has Buderus not taught him this since he's been here?'"
Imagine the deficiencies in his game had he not lived and worked in the same county as Buderus!
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Uh-oh.'"
My thoughts exactly. Nowt like going over old ground is there 
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"I don't recall anyone hyping him up to that level, except perhaps rhinoms. He looked a promising young player at the start of last season but appears to have gone backwards since then.'"
RLW did. They listed him as the number 1 young prospect in the world a while back in their top 50 (I can't remember exactly but I think it was limited to players who had not played a 1st team game at the time). This included Australia. No joke. I couldn't help but laugh, even then.
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| I hope Liam does get a chance to step up and be part of 1st team squad although think it may be bit early to blood him IMO
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| As G1 said, I thought that youngsters learned so much from watching 'great' players I'm surprised McShane isn't already an international, what with watching and occasionally subbing for both Diskin and Buderus. Maybe the whole idea of kids learning from watching is a crock, like I always thought?
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"He's had plenty of time to work on the deficiencies in his game and based on his limited opportunities this season he's not managed it.'"
That sounds dangerously like an opinion on an emerging prospect to me. I thought you took a dim view on such things?
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"As G1 said, I thought that youngsters learned so much from watching 'great' players I'm surprised McShane isn't already an international, what with watching and occasionally subbing for both Diskin and Buderus. Maybe the whole idea of kids learning from watching is a crock, like I always thought?'"
The concept of passing on experience only works if the person receiving the knowledge has the ability to turn the advice in to practice. I am sure Buderus will have passed on some of his knowledge to McShane and Diskin, the problem is neither are anywhere near as good a player as Buderus and what comes naturally to him simply isn't possible to lesser players
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