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| agreeing with bell. glanville, ward, mcdermott (semi final @ hudds when fought 3 at once)
historically was tony fisher hard or dirty?
dennis hartley?
the widnes packs that contained tamati, sorensen, gorley, moriarty et al always trod a fine line between thuggery & hardness
we had the fartown jp semi won 8-2 all penalties when gregory ws playing for them
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| Everyone knows the dirtiest player ever is Ryan Bailey.
Gary Mason played a short while for the London Broncos Academy, wouldn't have fancied taking him on in a fight.
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Brian mcdermott in recent times was a hard nut, remember when he floored about 3 of our lads.'"
Three punches and he rightly started walking before the ref even got his hand in his pocket!  He WAS the Marines' heavyweight boxing champion, mind!
Hard men for Bulls in the SL era - I'd always have Sir Bernard Dwyer up there with the best of them.
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| Hardest has to be Gareth Thomas. Getting close to the lads and that 
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| Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"No disrespect to Mills intended, but I'm sure his career record of 13-odd sendings off contained the odd act of thuggery.'"
It did, like the time he stood aon the players face and twisted his studs around it.
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| Nah then,
Nice to see some of the PFU Hall of Famers gettin a mention here. It were also good to see two members doing it old school last night at Widnes.
Thanking you kindly.
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| Quote Damo-Leeds="Damo-Leeds"Hardest has to be Gareth Thomas.'"
Speaking from experience?
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| Neil Harmon. Grrrrrr.
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| I've said this before - Les Boyd was not a hard man. He was a thug, a king-hit merchant who looked to take players out of the game by any means.
Among overseas players, the Kiwis of the 80s like Broadhurst and the Tamatis were proper hard men, along with the likes of Kevin Ward (who Paul Vautin rates as probably the toughest person he's ever played with).
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| wally lewis playing the world final with a broken arm
boyd i agree was more in the dirty & fighting category , lazarus & sironen were hard not sure whether ray price hard/dirty
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| Quote doc-rhino="doc-rhino"wally lewis playing the world final with a broken arm
boyd i agree was more in the dirty & fighting category , lazarus & sironen were hard not sure whether ray price hard/dirty'"
Glenn Lazurus - the brick with eyes - very apt
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| jack hirst cas and hunslet was tough, derek "rocky" turner was also tough but could be dirty aswell but i guess in them days it was a case of get your retaliation in first. graham eccles was tough and played well above his weight trevor gillmeister was hard as nails and always seemed to have harrogans number in SOO battles
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