Yeah, but we are missing a very vital ingredient. This team has proven nothing yet to say it could do what we have previously. I have seen some very good Widnes sides over time, and some pretty poor Leeds ones to be fair. Yet that was Widnes biggest ever win against Leeds, and that should take some reflecting on players and fans alike.

It is bad enough players playing unacceptable, but self infliction makes it worse. The club have completely dropped the ball in believing they had planned correctly in the halfs, and more to the point leadership. I won't repeat my thoughts on the McGuire position, but what sort of an idiot thought it right when he is out, to place the captaincy on a guy who has made his whole career on individualism and not team play, I do not know. That wasn't the reason we lost, but it was definitely significant in the total collapse.

Had Sinfield and JP played yesterday, we could still have been beaten in a similar manner. Its not like we havn't seen this kind of performance several times before leading into a big game or big period of the season.

I'm going to wait till after the weekend till i start judging this years teams chances, or even writing off the season, or players in the squad already as some seem to be doing. I liked what i saw in the first hit out against a very good Wire team.We should have won that game really and only have ourselves to blame that we didn't, that is the levels we can achieve when focused.I always thought Widnes away would be tough right before the WCC, they have always been a threat to anyone on that plastic ground and so early in the season with optimism very high it was a real banana skin game as it proved.

We would not have won the Treble if Sutty had not got injured last year that is a fact . Now is the time for Mac to prove he is a great coach , at the moment all that is happening is in retirement Sinfield is becoming an even better player than some thought he was .

That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.

Quote: Gotcha "That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/c ... eeds/44130 Full team including Sinfield and JP. How quickly some forget

Quote: Gotcha "That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/c ... eeds/44130 Full team including Sinfield and JP. How quickly some forget

Not much credit given to us here and I can tell you've ben spoilt recently as there were times you got on the players backs yesterday instead of supporting them - particularly after Mellor's try.

That's as good as I've seen Widnes play in a long time and I think we'd have beaten anybody today.

It's nothing against Widnes mate, but i'm sure you will agree when a big side is beaten so heavily by one of the lesser sides in the league it is going to provoke these kinds of reactions. FWIW, i myself as stated in previous posts expected it to be a tough game, you are a decent side and very good at home. You have probably done a number on all the top sides there over the last few seasons.

Again, well done on the win.

To date there's no difference. We were poor at Widnes last season, however yesterday we were utterly abysmal. An abject toothless display. 0 from 4 in the points column just like last season. Am I confident that this team can turn it round? Ask me after the Easter fixtures.

Im not gonna keep arguing with you, i think i have made my point fairly enough.

Maybe you also need to read the post from the Widnes fan above and show a little bit of humility.

Fair play Biff, know what you mean fans will be far from happy with how you played yesterday but all will be forgotten if you win on Sunday.

For what it's worth - Widnes were already 22-0 up when the first injury occurred, so the ship had already sailed by then. Also - didn't think much of Ferres from a performance or leadership front yesterday - surprised he didn't roll his sleeves up and get stuck in.

Catalans away last season in the super 8 wasn't a million miles away from the performance yesterday - and I think both Sinfield and Peacock played in that game!!

I'm sure you will come up with a reason why that wasn't as bad as yesterday - but the collapse and lack of leadership in that game was there for all to see.

Oh they were plenty of shockers when Singield and Peacock were in the team over the years. Losses to London, Wakey and Bradford, may not have been as many tries against but equally as poor and lacking in fight. Also whilst better opposition we put up pitiful showings on other occasions. 48 points past us from Hudds on the last day of 2012 season even though they played with 12 men for 65 mins yet we were the ones who looked like we had a man less. The 50 points at home against Wigan that year and the red hair debacle at Saints also Spring to mind. Like I said, yes better teams but can't exactly argue that the fight was there even with Sinfield and Peacock in the team on those days.

Sinfield is a colossal loss. We've lived without JP and Mags when they both needed knee reconstructs end of 2010 season and we were poor, but we've never really had to cope without Kev. It's hard to overestimate what he contributed. We've had batterings with him in the side as well, but to take him out, JP and Danny all at once is really tough to deal with.
Patience is required. I reckon focus on league points will come after the WCC, and we will look to stay in touch with the top 4 until the super 8. Hopefully by then we'll have settled and the likes of Sutty, Lilley, Falloon, etc will be clicking.
Best thing for us might be for a couple of teams to run away at the top, looking like Wigan and Warrington could do that. If they take all the points off Saints, Hudds, Catalans etc then we'll have a better chance of being in with a shout of 3/4th.
Shipping 10 tries is not great, leaders need to emerge over the next 3-4 months.

I was out for most of last night, so haven't read full reports, are these 3 injurys all leg injurys?