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| Quote: thebloodbath "From case notesIt would be useful if they'd gone into detail here, just to know what is acceptable. To safe-guard this offence occuring again. Bit wishy-washy.
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NOT SHOVING THE OFFICIAL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE
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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Interesting summary. Why was Bailey charged with a Grade C offence?
Have the sentencing guidelines changed rlSINCE 2010?rl
On Field Compliance Sentencing Guidelines from 2010
15.1(i) Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game - Grade D-E ... Deliberate physical contact with a match official.
Grade D offences carry 3 to 5 match bans.
Grade E offences carry 4 to 8 match bans.'"
Try looking at the 2012 criteria...
www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/ ... 0Final.pdf
Deliberate contact with a match official is now Grade B-E, so a ban of 1-2 games would have been the recommendation had he been charged with a Grade B.
It would appear the RFL have treated Webb's contact with the official and Bailey's as being entirely different in nature, hence Webb has been found guilty but not banned due to "entirely exceptional circumstances".
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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Interesting summary. Why was Bailey charged with a Grade C offence?
Have the sentencing guidelines changed rlSINCE 2010?rl
On Field Compliance Sentencing Guidelines from 2010
15.1(i) Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game - Grade D-E ... Deliberate physical contact with a match official.
Grade D offences carry 3 to 5 match bans.
Grade E offences carry 4 to 8 match bans.'"
Try looking at the 2012 criteria...
www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/ ... 0Final.pdf
Deliberate contact with a match official is now Grade B-E, so a ban of 1-2 games would have been the recommendation had he been charged with a Grade B.
It would appear the RFL have treated Webb's contact with the official and Bailey's as being entirely different in nature, hence Webb has been found guilty but not banned due to "entirely exceptional circumstances".
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| Quote: Cab Crab "icon_lol.gif
NOT SHOVING THE OFFICIAL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE
They say, 'different'
I say, 'give me detail'
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Try looking at the 2012 criteria...
I wasn't aware of the updated guidelines, hence why I asked the question in the first place. Thanks for enlightening me.
Quote: Andy Gilder "Deliberate contact with a match official is now Grade B-E, so a ban of 1-2 games would have been the recommendation had he been charged with a Grade B.'"
Which begs the question... what factors determined being charged with a Grade C offence instead of a Grade B? I'm guessing it was the accompanying petulant behaviour towards the referee after the initial shove?
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| Quote: Cab Crab "icon_lol.gif
NOT SHOVING THE OFFICIAL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE
Yeah, some people are just downright rude aren't they?
Believe it or not there are some who are so rude or lazy that they can't be ars*d to use upper and lower case on their keyboards.
The result is they shout all the time and their posts look completely juvenile and inane.
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| Quote: Chief Stinkwort "Yeah, some people are just downright rude aren't they?
Believe it or not there are some who are so rude or lazy that they can't be ars*d to use upper and lower case on their keyboards.
The result is they shout all the time and their posts look completely juvenile and inane.'"
AND I AM BOTH
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| Quote: Chief Stinkwort "Yeah, some people are just downright rude aren't they?
Believe it or not there are some who are so rude or lazy that they can't be ars*d to use upper and lower case on their keyboards.
The result is they shout all the time and their posts look completely juvenile and inane.'"
Be carefull I kopped a week's ban because of this low life.
You do tend to get a headache when people shout all the time
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| Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Wot a joke the rhinos club and Brian McDermott are for backing the decision of the RFL disciplinary panel on this matter and supporting bans on there players. So much for RFL having rhinos in they're pockets. Ridiculous, load of bollox, wot a stuff-up, no common sense, pathetic, shocking, laughable, farce, incompetent, inept, bizarre, crazy, indecent, silly, dubious, unacceptable, RFL apologists, ref apologists, clowns, typical anti-leeds bias by leeds, hope rhinos and mcdermott gets a game at Headingley soon while it's fresh in everyone's memory, bailey should knock McDermott on his ar5e for not backing him up, and don't get in the way of the RFL whatever you do cos they do what they want, rhinos club make RFU old farts look like mensa candidates, surely wilkin & peacocks shiny new union could of, would of and should of done something useful asking serious questions of club as to why they agreed with RFL about been treated more harshly for shoving a referee than they do for attacking a load of red herring 'ouch! my head' examples? Is referee's "safety" more paramount than any other red herrings on offer? I have no problem with him being banned for the contact on the ref, but it needs to be in proportion to other red herrings from this season, and three games is way OTT.
Well said... ETC.'"
If the Rhinos and McDermott had slammed the RFL disciplinary panel, you would have been slagging them off for not excepting the panels decision. They just can't win where your concerned.
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| On brighter note I suppose all the £300 fines that the RFL are collecting from all these disciplinary hearings will go along way to paying off their purchase of the wasteland that is Odsal.
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| Quote: Fieldheadrhino "If the Rhinos and McDermott had slammed the RFL disciplinary panel, you would have been slagging them off for not excepting the panels decision. They just can't win where your concerned.'"
Think you missed his point.
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| Having finally seen the incident this morning, if Bailey had left Silverwood alone then the case for serious case of obstruction resides there
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| Quote: Lawrie L "Having finally seen the incident this morning, if Bailey had left Silverwood alone then the case for serious case of obstruction resides there'"
Silverwood deffo obstructed there the Useless Cleckhuddersfax Personage
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| Quote: DHM "Think you missed his point.'"
Yes I think he certainly did. Keith has a way with words even when, as in this case, most were harvested from this thread full of mostly irrational one-eyed comments.
Had this thread appeared on the Wigan board the same people would have been ripping the pea out of their fans.
There can be no excuse for a player making deliberate physical contact with a match official so I'm not sure why some posters are trying to find one and/or making comparisons to other incidents involving player on player indescretions or the punishments that followed them.
In general terms I hope players reign themselves in a little after this wake up message as their attitude towards officials has markedly declined over recent seasons, IMO.
I still think the Bailey incident was more of a one off involving one of those one off characters in the game but hopefully it will reinforce a respect for the officials and the job they do, I think, to the best of their unbiased abilities.
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| I think it's the length of ban which for me seems disproportionate. I can see the reasoning. Not really to protect silverwood from a gentle shove but to send a message out to the lower leagues and ametur game where refs ( in football anyway from experience) are subject to a heck of a lot worse.
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| Quote: tvoc "Yes I think he certainly did. Keith has a way with words even when, as in this case, most were harvested from this thread full of mostly irrational one-eyed comments.
Had this thread appeared on the Wigan board the same people would have been ripping the pea out of their fans.
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Yep.
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