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Quote: rhinoms "Except of course when we reached 2 GF's won the LLS and a WCC!!!
The rest is irrellevant we won 4 trophies and appeared in another CC final in his 3 yrs at the helm and that's where he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and the rest like i said above is completely irrellevant as is 06 under Tony Smith.'"


Whoa there.

Much as I agree with your general approach, you can't just ignore bad seasons and only focus on the winning ones when determining how good a coach was.

You need to look at their entire spell at the club, warts and all.

McLennan took on a successful side and at best maintained it at its previous levels - IMO Smith is ahead of him in the pecking order due to the improvement he brought both in terms of performance and results.

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From what Senior said on Sky last night and Reading between the lines of what he kind of implied as well then it would seem the players were not all that impressed with him

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Coach McClennan's record speaks for itself. The 2nd and 3rd club Championships were massive achievements (no matter what the performances were or were not like over those seasons - who really cares) as was winning a WCC and SL in the same year also.

What was the question again?

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It is too simplistic to judge Bluey soley on the silverware that the team won and assume that this was all down to the coach. He inherited the top team in the competition with a settled side of established stars who had momentum and were on a winning run. It is possible that we would have won the same trophies with almost any coach such was the advantage displayed over most other sides at the time.

I am sure he made some positive inputs into getting these results but he also had some negative inputs which were apparrent in way the quality of rugby deteriorated under has tenure. The evidence was there on the pitch and the views of the players are now beginning to surface to back this up.

IMO he came over as a nice guy who couldn't quite believe his luck in landing the best job in SL because he knew he was slightly out of his depth.

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The question was, should he be inducted into a fan based Internet Web Site's Hall Of Fame?

Having supremacy over 'most other sides' doesn't earn a Championship. If it did Leeds would have been Champions more frequently then they have been in the past, not least in 2005 during the SL Era.

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Quote: tvoc "The question was, should he be inducted into a fan based Internet Web Site's Hall Of Fame?.'"

If that is what the majority want then so be it. For me it depends on the criteria. If purely being the manager when the team wins a lot of silverware then Yes. If improving the standard of play then No.


Quote: tvoc "Having supremacy over 'most other sides' doesn't earn a Championship. If it did Leeds would have been Champions more frequently then they have been in the past, not least in 2005 during the SL Era.'"


Equally we do not know that it was the presence of Bluey that made a difference. You could also say that with another coach we could have won more trophies.

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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK:



2008 we were beaten out of sight in the gf qualifier 38-10.Was it Bluey's fault we hammered by such a confidence sapping margin?and was him who got the player's up for such a good performance in the Grand Final?

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Quote: lionarmour87 "2008 we were beaten out of sight in the gf qualifier 38-10.Was it Bluey's fault we hammered by such a confidence sapping margin?and was him who got the player's up for such a good performance in the Grand Final?'"


That was Bluey's finest hour, I think, when his skills as a motivator came to the fore - it was a tremendous achievement to get the players up for the eliminator against Wigan and then the GF having been so comprehensively outplayed. That said, overall I feel he was the coach of a good squad rather than a good coach.

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Quote: The Biffs Back "I reckon that after last nights GF win that Bluey deserves to be inducted into the SS.com hall of fame as it was his 2nd victory in successive seasons

It has been a hard act for Bluey in following Tony Smith into the Rhinos hot seast, especially as he inherited a side that was at the top after winning the 2007 GF and to continue this winning sequence for a further 2 years is a remarkable achievement
Thoughts........'"


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Should he be inducted? YES

Will he be inducted? NO

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Of course he should. Only an idiot thinks he shouldn't be

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Indeed. Get him in there.

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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. JAMIE PEACOCK:



Before a decision is made ,maybe some one should ask why some of the players went on record saying its right that he has left the club even after he agreed another year?

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