Not so much saying he's at fault for anything or the lost. But using his good performances against weaker teams was always a false dawn. A hat trick against London in pre season which so many loved should've been put into context.of the opposition.

I picked him out because it appears to me in recent games that the wingers are on a rotation to keep everyone happy.I may be wrong about this, just how I see it and I believe BJB is not on the level of Hall and Briscoe, so now we know he is leaving we should be able, for the most part to leave him in reserve to cover injuries.just my opinion of course.

for the record I think BJB is a fantastic utility back in his own right and is a great player for us to still be able to call upon should injuries occur.my opinions on him have remained the same, leaving us or not he is clearly 3rd best winger and the 2nd best full back at the club.

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A puerile posting,in future if you comment on this site and you are quite welcome to do so,please have something constructive to say.

yeh, almost as embarrassing as the time Andy Farrell got picked ahead of a certain Mr Lockyer the week before being humiliated in 40 minutes at elland road.

Caps, bold and underlined.

He really means it.

This is a very silly thread but let's deal with the facts. Wigan did a Leeds on Leeds. John Bateman owned Bailey and actually embarrassed. Nobody playing in Super a League should ever be awarded the Golden Boot.

ie one which you win.

You do know that the golden boot isn't handed out by SL/RFL/ERL don't you?

Obviously not.

You have to admire the coach with a "win by any means necessary" mentality. Leeds don't have a coach with that mentality, neither does any other team in SL that I can think of, but Wigan obviously do and fair play to him. He knew his 'injury ravaged, filled with youngsters' side con't compete in the traditional sense so employed a slightly left-field set of tactics. This paid dividends and got him the win.

Funny though, I never heard any mention of Leeds' injured players or having to backfill with youngsters. Maybe they just forgot.

I agree.



OK then.



I agree.



Entirely disagree. Unless by "owned" you mean "rolled around with a bit." Bateman didn't cause the cut by any means that I can see on the replay. I don't think a blow was landed in the exchange full stop. See other thread. 0-0. Both sin-binned for being silly little boys. I'm a bit embarrassed for anyone who thinks that was a fight, let alone one in which somebody could get "owned." Unless someone made a particularl;y witty and cutting joke at someone else's expense.. Seems unlikely.



I wouldn't want to say no SL player could ever be the best player in the world. But the golden boot's just a PR exercise, so who cares really.

With regard to the PTB, Leeds were dominated and pushed backwards onto their backs which usually allows the defending team more time to get off. Leeds on the other hand didn't push back and allowed the wigan players to fall forward thus allowing them a quicker PTB.

Leeds main problem was that the line stopped an waited for the attackers to come to them, Wigan didn't.

I thought the post match quotes by Leeds coach McDermott was very diplomatic , but we knew where he was coming from.

I think the Coach and his team will have learned a lot from the experience on Saturday, i think that came over in his quotes.

I am really looking forward to the next time the 2 sides meet.