Funnily enough it was - it was forecast to at 15:00 on Saturday in London and sure enough it did (well 14:57 to be precise).

I remember the missus making a point of it at the time and I checked my watch.

I provide the occassional stat here and there and always try to ensure any stat I produce is accurate. Pointless producing an inaccurate stat IMO. I cannot and have never given an 100% guarantee of accuracy, although I could probably count the number of queries against them on one hand in the time I've been here.

On the other side of the coin I've corrected possibly hundreds of factually inaccurate posts on here over the years just as I did on page 8 of this thread

I don't keep any records on who says what to who on here. It was a question asked rather than a statement of fact.

If not risible nonsense - how about instead ?



I still have the BBC HD recording so can verify it didn't appear on there and post an absolute word for word transcript of what Jonathan Davies said if neccessary.

Do you (or does anyone else) still have a copy of the BBC broadcast including the Davies comment re Keinhorst? I'd like to hear what was actually said.



Everyone knew the forecast beforehand and it was hardly inaccurate. I'm not the poster claiming the weather delayed the planned introduction of a player ill-equipped to offer anything from the bench.

If a starting centre had been injured in the first few minutes would McDermott have risked Keinhorst?

The game should be available on iplayer

No ta. It's already burned into my scarred psyche.

Dave Woods made a reference along these lines during the first half commentary, I believe. Unfortunately I hadn't read this thread when replaying so didn't take an undue amount of notice. Definitely first half though; I haven't had the stomach to replay the second yet.

Has someone else has said if an ex prop and an ex hooker can't work out what to do we're doomed I tell thee. I long for the days when Graham Murray could turn Andy Hay into a world beater! Imagine Kirke under Murrays guidance....

Andy Hay was never anything approaching a world beater. He was just lucky enough to be in a side that covered his deficiencies. Once he stepped up a level they were pretty brutally exposed.

Remind me again what Murray achieved in terms of trophies with an expensively assembled squad?

Murray took us from 'also rans' in every department, to winning the Challenge Cup and to the inaugural Grand Final; a fair achievement in my eyes.

And more importantly for me, we played some excellent rugby during his tenure - our defence back then was as brutal as I've ever seen a team. Look at the number of relatively unknown or mediocre players that he had punching above their weight. He knew where the individual brilliance was within the team, and he knew what gameplan to use to maximise those attributes - something sadly lacking at the moment. The under/Mis-use of Kallum Watkins being the perfect example.

Got to say i agree with superted AG he improved a lot of ordinary players and squeezed some real quality out of older players ala Glanville and Powell.

The Murray team was filled with brawn. That we hadn't seen in a Leeds team in years.

Relly? Aside from Harris who? It was always a transitional squad with a short shelf life.

I used to think gilders posts were good til that nonsensical rubbish.

IIRC Leeds paid transfer fees for Sheridan, Hay and Farrell from Sheffield didn't they? Richie Blackmore from Cas? Barrie McDermott from Wigan?

Of the 17 that played in the 1999 Final only Rivett, Cummins, Newton and Morley came through the club's academy system?

Bless, I'm hurt. No really, I am.