Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"After just watching the highlights I must say the 2 Leeds' tries were pretty good....especially the 2nd (Hardaker actually passed to keep the move flowing ). Watkins' finishing for the 1st was class. However, Widnes's 1st try of the second half was particularly shameful....so many ambling back with their backs to the danger.'" www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... -for-leeds Video on Sky Sports showing the moments all 3 guys get injured, all 3 look in a lot of pain.

Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"After just watching the highlights I must say the 2 Leeds' tries were pretty good....especially the 2nd (Hardaker actually passed to keep the move flowing ). Watkins' finishing for the 1st was class. However, Widnes's 1st try of the second half was particularly shameful....so many ambling back with their backs to the danger.'" www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... -for-leeds Video on Sky Sports showing the moments all 3 guys get injured, all 3 look in a lot of pain.

Sorry to say, absolutely nothing positive to say about today. I would be clutching at straws if I said Lilley kicking one from the touch line was a crumb of comfort. It may have no relevance to how poorly we played, but who in their right mind would order any sports team to set off at the same time as their supporters coaches across the busiest motorway in England for a 3pm kick off? Seeing their coach limp along the M62 for 2 hours leaving them little time for preparation was foolish to say the least. Was it last season when they did exactly the same thing and got another pumping ? I thought Zak put an enormous amount of work and effort in and Singleton was our best forward and the only one that was aggressive enough to knock anyone backwards and hurt them. Garbutt livened up near the end when it was too late, and that was about it. Credit to Widnes, they ran fast, straight and looked like a well oiled machine, the polar opposite to us. I'm not gonna claim the officials influenced the outcome to a great extent, but the less I see of Stokes the better, he was awful. You will not see a worse decision this season than when Hardaker was held down illegally when tackled a yard short after a great run. It was a 10 minute sin bin all day long and the pie eating tw** bottled it totally and put Widnes on a team warning instead, right on the hooter for half time





. The sooner they do away with that team warning bollo**s the better. I'm sure Stokes would have sent a Widnes player to the bin in the first couple of minutes of the 2nd half after he'd spent 15 minutes in the warm with his flapjack and Nescafé. Idiot ref, idiot rule.

I know a lot of teams play soft a week before a big game, but I've never liked it. I think its a poor way to warm up and the risk of injuries is worse if players are not focused on what they're doing.

The transition was always going to be bigger and take longer than some predicted imo throw in the injuries and having to over rely on Sutcliffe after so long out and very little pre-season behind him it's no surprise we've lost 2 from 2.
However even if you expect and allow for some teething problems and disjointed performances that defence today was and should be unacceptable for any 13 out on the pitch it was p!$h.
No point targetting individuals especially the younger lads ,collectively however that was diabolical and for some of the tries we conceded they looked like they were trying to out do each other for most pathetic tackle attempt.
I expect us to regroup and be 1000% better next week but as it stands a 20pt loss will come across as an improvement its a big test for the players and Coaches now i hope MC has ripped em a new arris every now and again an old fashioned ear bashing is needed and this is one of thgose occasions imo,

Some of the individual tackles wern't good enough neither was the effort to shut down breaks when made, the major problem though was giving Widnes a ridiculous amount of field position

In a weird way the hammering might do us a favour in the long run. Poor vs Wakey on Boxing Day, not great vs Bradford but can be labelled as just friendlies. Don't take our chances vs Wire but can say it was only 2 points and the missed kicks and think we aren't that far off. Had we lost by a score or two vs Widnes then again you could say not far off just got to sort some stuff out.......however a beating like that should HOPEFULLY make them realise that they need to get their act together because they haven't looked or sounded on it from the moment they came back from the off season IMO.

The team usually prefers it and plays better when they start getting written off so hopefully that hammering was the performance that brings them back down to earth with a bang after probably basking in the glory of 2015 too long.

It's a fair point we regrouped after that pasting in France last year & we do carry the underdog tag better than any team in SL imo.

Yeah, but we are missing a very vital ingredient. This team has proven nothing yet to say it could do what we have previously. I have seen some very good Widnes sides over time, and some pretty poor Leeds ones to be fair. Yet that was Widnes biggest ever win against Leeds, and that should take some reflecting on players and fans alike.

It is bad enough players playing unacceptable, but self infliction makes it worse. The club have completely dropped the ball in believing they had planned correctly in the halfs, and more to the point leadership. I won't repeat my thoughts on the McGuire position, but what sort of an idiot thought it right when he is out, to place the captaincy on a guy who has made his whole career on individualism and not team play, I do not know. That wasn't the reason we lost, but it was definitely significant in the total collapse.

Had Sinfield and JP played yesterday, we could still have been beaten in a similar manner. Its not like we havn't seen this kind of performance several times before leading into a big game or big period of the season.

I'm going to wait till after the weekend till i start judging this years teams chances, or even writing off the season, or players in the squad already as some seem to be doing. I liked what i saw in the first hit out against a very good Wire team.We should have won that game really and only have ourselves to blame that we didn't, that is the levels we can achieve when focused.I always thought Widnes away would be tough right before the WCC, they have always been a threat to anyone on that plastic ground and so early in the season with optimism very high it was a real banana skin game as it proved.

We would not have won the Treble if Sutty had not got injured last year that is a fact . Now is the time for Mac to prove he is a great coach , at the moment all that is happening is in retirement Sinfield is becoming an even better player than some thought he was .

That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/c ... eeds/44130 Full team including Sinfield and JP. How quickly some forget

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"That's absolute rubbish mate. We may well and probably would have done seen the defeat still. But we would never have seen the collapse and no fight. This is a team that were tipped for bottom by the majority of fans and experts alike. They put 10 tries, yes 10 tries past us, and we could have played for another hour and still struggled to score more than another try. We haven't seen that sort of result any time over last 13 years, not even when Widnes had their heyday. This was not a Wigan or Saints on top form.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/c ... eeds/44130 Full team including Sinfield and JP. How quickly some forget