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Quote: tvoc "Crooks couldn't wait to get away from Hull as this image clearly shows. In the days of players receiving 10% as a signing on fee as well.

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June 6th 1987?

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Quote: Old Feller "Here's another challenge for tvoc, albeit one he'll deal with easily I'd expect, we've led Saints by 4 points this year, what were the margins in the other years?'"


2004: Leeds by 15, St Helens were 5th

2005: St Helens by 3, Leeds were 2nd

2006: St Helens by 10, Leeds were 3rd

2007: St Helens by 1, Leeds were 2nd

2008: St Helens by 1, Leeds were 2nd

2009: Leeds by 4, St Helens were 2nd

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Quote: tvoc "2004

If you look at these figures the results in 07 & 08 weren't surpising considering how close both sides had been over the full season.
In 04 you could argue it would have been a travesty had we not won the GF, similarly for Saints victory in 06.
In 05 there wasn't exactly a gulf between Saints & us making the fact that we were cheated out of the GF doubly hard to take.
In summary, over the past 5 years when Saints fans would have you believe they've been robbed of their right to call themselves champions that only applies in one year.
Over that period we have more right to consider ourselves the the best side in the super league.
QED.

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In 05 there wasn't exactly a gulf between Saints & us making the fact that we were cheated out of the GF doubly hard to take. '"


How do you work that one out? You sound like a Saints fan from the last two weeks.

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Quote: Old Feller "...the fact that we were cheated out of the GF doubly hard to take. '"


What?

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Does anyone that doesn't play for Saints ever win MOS?

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Quote: Old Feller "I'd advocate Hodgson on the basis that Morley & Graham - both outstanding candidates - have not improved the relative positions of their teams, whereas Hodgson has had IMO a marked impact on the performance of his whole team.
I know that the coaching staff have had a major influence on this but their impact stops the moment the whistle blows.
Compare the Giants last season with Thorman (mostly) the last line of defence & principal goalkicker, with this season's Giants.
The main difference has been Hodgson.
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Quite right Old Fella

Hodgson should be favorite to win. His regular outstanding displays and his 84% success rate in goal kicking this season have made him the standout player who has had the most influence on their teams's success (a very creditable 3rd in the table and Wembley finalists)

Whereas the other two candidates are no better than many other grafters in SL. Graham has not been as effective as last season and Morley's efforts did not get the expensive Warrington side into the top 8.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Graham has not been as effective as last season'"


More carries, more metres, more metres per carry, more busts and more tackles despite being in a much weaker pack suggests that is bollox.

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Quote: FearTheVee "More carries, more metres, more metres per carry, more busts and more tackles despite being in a much weaker pack suggests that is bollox.'"

That also equates to you been over-reliant on him and the rest of yer pack been workshy!!!

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Quote: rhinoms "That also equates to you been over-reliant on him and the rest of yer pack been workshy!!!'"


Besides the point when assessing whether he's been as good as last year.

Not only is he having to carry the ball more, he's making more metres when he does, despite being flogged.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Besides the point when assessing whether he's been as good as last year.

Not only is he having to carry the ball more, he's making more metres when he does, despite being flogged.'"


I stand correct on the stats, but Graham has been nowhere near as effective as Hodgson who has been outstanding and the most influencial player in his teams success over the full season. Had Hodgson played in the game Saints just won against the Huddersfield under 16's then Saints might not have got 2nd spot!

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I watched Ryan Hall, Keith Senior and Peacock last night and remain amazed that none were shortlisted for man of steel and that Brett Hodgson is ahead of them.

Why do our players never get recognised? Are other teams really stacked with the best individuals, year after year and, if so, how do we keep managing to be champions?

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Quote: G1 "I watched Ryan Hall, Keith Senior and Peacock last night and remain amazed that none were shortlisted for man of steel and that Brett Hodgson is ahead of them.

Why do our players never get recognised? Are other teams really stacked with the best individuals, year after year and, if so, how do we keep managing to be champions?'"

It is a strange one but i'm sure the players don't worry too much about it when they keep getting the "Big One" at OT.

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While I don't disagree with G1, my views are that all our players have the advantage of playing in a team of generally outstanding individuals. Therefore, as I've discussed elsewhere it's harder to single out one Rhinos player to be MOS.
Hodgson has made a significant difference to arguably an otherwise trealively ordinary Giants team.
His contribution has improved the whole team to such an extent that they've finished 3rd this year.
Can we honestly say that any of the Rhinos players mentioned has had such an impact on the entire team?

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Quote: Old Feller "While I don't disagree with G1, my views are that all our players have the advantage of playing in a team of generally outstanding individuals. Therefore, as I've discussed elsewhere it's harder to single out one Rhinos player to be MOS.
Hodgson has made a significant difference to arguably an otherwise trealively ordinary Giants team.
His contribution has improved the whole team to such an extent that they've finished 3rd this year.
Can we honestly say that any of the Rhinos players mentioned has had such an impact on the entire team?'"
That's fair comment but doesn't justify the prevelance to award Saints players with such propensity.

The Saints teams have been packed full of brilliant individuals, even if collectively, despite what their fans might believe, they have slightly under acheived. Yet they still manage to receive individual recognition year after year after year.

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