Thaler was awful, really bad. The obstruction rule is a nonsense, its just awful. Why we, as a game, have chosen an interpretation of the obstruction rule which doesnt need there to actually be an obstruction is just idiotic.

We were worse. Appalling performance, if we play like that against Huddersfield they will put 40 or 50 points on us. Most SL sides would have absolutely pumped us. Our completion rates were terrible, basic simple errors, passing was appalling at times, the best use of Watkins is not throwing the ball at his feet.

We had no plan or structure, no build, tried to win it on every play. When we did manage to spread play either stopped with Sutcliffe throwing a dummy and being caught or Delany picking out a brick wall and running in to it.

The very few times we did put even a basic play on we cut through them pretty easily, but again failed to have any kind of second phase whatsoever to finish it. This is a big failing in the squad, we have only Hardaker with pace in the middle (Burrow is taken out of that part of the game playing at dummy half) and he just isnt all that great at the moment from putting himself in those positions. Watkins gets his hand free, or his nose through the line pretty much everytime he hold on to the ball, but he has no-one back on the inside.

The lack of pace (of thought or foot) in the middle of this Leeds side is a gaping deficiency. The props are about as mobile as human statues, none of the half backs can beat a man with pace or footwork, so there's zero threat. Sides can just slide out and load up defensively where the actual threats are, in the centres.

Unless Sutcliffe actually learns to pass a ball, he's not going to make a SL half back. The number of times the ball was prevented from getting to Watkins or Moon by his dummies that nobody bought was ridiculous.

At the moment, the Leeds three-quarter line must feel like an ashtray on a motorbike. There's little point having them, if the ball is constantly going to be turned back inside.

Time for McDermott to move on at the end of the season IMO. The structure has become too predictable, certain players have become too comfortable and a new voice is needed to come in and completely rebuild the spine of the side.

Thank you very much appreciated Leigh gave their all last night , but were just a little inexperienced in some departments . as for our fans , we follow most away games in numbers .

Full credit to Leigh. If they keep playing like that their next defeat will be a while coming. Great energy, but their patterns in attack were very easy on the eye too.

Leeds look a bit flat at the moment, which I'm not unduly worried by at this stage. I did ponder a few times whether our lack of penetration in the middle of the line might be alleviated by playing Moon at 6 for a few games to liven things up.

Get your head out of you @rs3 mate. You have completely and utterly misread what I put. Having chips on shoulders is no good.

I praised the Leigh team, it's hunger and enthusiasm. I simply said to say you didn't deserve to lose was a complete myth. You never looked like scoring after your second try. You need points to win.

I never said to keep Leigh in Championship dipstick. If you read it I compared your achievements with recent seasons of Fev (whom actually beat super league side), Halifax, and Sheffield, and said if they were all that good at the same time it would be a good a Championship.

You sound more like a Wakey fan than anything else, with the everyone against us attitude.

Said previously our forwards are poor and our halves are even worse.
Not sure what has happened to Briscoe and Watkins lately but neither look that good.
Both JP and Kylie should along with Sinfield have been rested. Thank god we didn't as Leigh would have beaten us.
Whilst the youngsters may have offered the enthusiasm I doubt their experience or lack of it would have seen us home.
That for me is a sad reflection on how we are playing with no structure or pace whatsoever.
Once Zac cops a ban we will be left with no innovation in that team at all.
Robbie Ward and Stevie Ward played well as did Hardaker and JP.
Would go as far as saying we are probably the 6th best team in SL at present.
Plenty of improvement needed.
For me Leigh looked the best team for an hour and once again some enthusiastic forwards stuck it to us last night and put us off our game.
Well done Leigh and looking forward to seeing you in SL next year.

lots of over reactions on here.

we are not at our best right now but we always seem to have a spell, or lull if you will, at some point of the season and up until magic weekend we have been very good.we have built a solid platform in the league, semis in the cup things are looking good.im convinced performances will improve atleast in time for the cup semi.

I think the main thing is we got the result, although the performance was nothing short of abysmal. Credit the Leigh outfit, they put in a great effort and took us all the way, but the fact is Sinfield and Peacock combined are on more a week than the entire Leigh 17, train full time and thus, should have put at least 50 and towards 100 on them, as I'm sure Warrington, Saints and Wigan would.

For my money it suggest McDermott can't get the side up for the lesser games and allowed complacency to creep in.

The lesser games like away at Huddersfield, away at Saints, away at Warrington and Wigan at the Etihad?

I don't think it's got anything to do with "getting the team up" for any game. I reckon it's got do with some players either not liking a physical confrontation or not dealing with it well enough. Because that's what we got in all the games we've not won this season.

Have to agree on that front, think we tend to bottle it when teams get nasty! Our heads seem to go and the handling errors begin to creep in. We've shown in years gone by we can mix it with the best, but so far this season, we've been found wanting in that regard I think.

Agreed. Some of our team wither away and hide. Others like Peacock front up but get drawn into that battle then.

Can't deny that from JP yesterday - would just like to see him deliver it more in terms of scrapping against the big boys!!

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