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Quote: Worlds Apart "So looks like Zak didn't have a clause triggering an automatic pay rise when he got capped by England?

That said, the lad is the best out-and-out fullback in SL. Should be one of our top earners.'"


He probably does ok.
Slightly O/T, I had an interesting conversation with a former member of staff about the way in which players at Leeds are contracted - and no, I'm not about to reveal my source.
I was told that the senior squad are almost entirely salaried, with very few appearance-related add-ons. Largely fixed costs, so easy to calculate implications in terms of the SC.
Conversely, lower ranked players are not that well paid but do get decent money added on for playing appearances. This is supposed to incentivise them wrt making the first team.
However - and it's quite a big however - although we're not at the limit of the SC, were we to play these youngsters week in, week out we would soon be pushing the limits. So, were the coach to dip into his pool of junior talent too early in the season only for us to hit a late-season injury crisis, then we'd be searching desperately for a paddle (or joining the list of cap-busting cheats).
Sheds a bit of light on the match day selection process and perhaps explains how some of the more perplexing decisions came about.

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Quote: Maximillion "I would say he has a few ahead of him in the salary list currently so cannot seeing Leeds being able to hand out a large chunk of salary


Don't believe for one minute Peacock will be a top earner. He's had two new contracts over last couple of years, each to add length to the contrac, and most probably a reduction where he gets the security rather than the bundle of cash.

The fact is, in terms of longevity, potential, and ability, Hardaker really should be finding himself in the top 5 earners at the club, and deservedly so.

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Quote: rhinos21 "I still think many supporters dont understand how a contract works. Kirke signed a 2 year extension last season so has a deal till the end of 2015. He isnt just going to give up that money.'"

I know exactly how a contract works and releases have been negotiated many times in the past and i'm pretty sure IF it was made clear he had no future with us and was just gonna be a Hunslet squad player he'd move on.

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Quote: Gotcha "Don't believe for one minute Peacock will be a top earner. He's had two new contracts over last couple of years, each to add length to the contrac, and most probably a reduction where he gets the security rather than the bundle of cash.

The fact is, in terms of longevity, potential, and ability, Hardaker really should be finding himself in the top 5 earners at the club, and deservedly so.'"


Really, Peacock is and has been one of the best SL players for the last ten years, you think he is not up there in salary....?

I understand your points on Hardacker, BUT his contract was drafted prior to last season those factors you mention don't have much impact, also going with a previous poster the younger players (hardacker was viewed as this for his last contract agreement) are on a lower wage with the play bonuses, he should be doing more than ok for a young guy in his 20's but with spotlight comes expectations and if he wants to be a top earner right now he shoud maybe move on or chill out a little and stay on at Leeds who gave him the chance and will repay him, if maybe a little later than he wants.....

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Quote: Clearwing "

lower ranked players are not that well paid but do get decent money added on for playing appearances
'"


This ties in with what i have been informed too Clearwing

It also clears a few things up regarding why certain players have subsequently chosen to move to other clubs whilst on the periphery of our regular starting first team

I had this discussion both on here and on the Bulls forum when Nick Scruton left us to move over to the Bulls

I had it on as good authority as you probably could get that Scrutes left the Rhinos solely due to the implications within his contract that wouldn't enable him to earn the maximum amount possible should he get injured

Where as the Bulls offered slightly more than the Rhinos did for his overall contract, but that he received the whole amount whether he played or not and thus making him a salaried player if you like

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Having Scruton on a performance and appearance related contract doesn't look a bad choice, given his record since joining Bradford, does it?

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Some of the top earners may need to move over for the kids, McGuire, Peacock, JJB

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Quote: Clearwing "He probably does ok.
Slightly O/T, I had an interesting conversation with a former member of staff about the way in which players at Leeds are contracted - and no, I'm not about to reveal my source.
I was told that the senior squad are almost entirely salaried, with very few appearance-related add-ons. Largely fixed costs, so easy to calculate implications in terms of the SC.
Conversely, lower ranked players are not that well paid but do get decent money added on for playing appearances. This is supposed to incentivise them wrt making the first team.
However - and it's quite a big however - although we're not at the limit of the SC, were we to play these youngsters week in, week out we would soon be pushing the limits. So, were the coach to dip into his pool of junior talent too early in the season only for us to hit a late-season injury crisis, then we'd be searching desperately for a paddle (or joining the list of cap-busting cheats).
Sheds a bit of light on the match day selection process and perhaps explains how some of the more perplexing decisions came about.'"

Definitely food for thought.

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Quote: thebloodbath "If you read my post it was more critical of you as opposed to defending Mr Bailey.'"


That's a shame might have given you and G1 an excuse for acting like prats.

Still looking forward to the day Bailey is shipped to Hunslet.

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Quote: Rhino Bucs "That's a shame might have given you and G1 an excuse for acting like prats.

Still looking forward to the day Bailey is shipped to Hunslet.'"


So let me get this right, defending a player that has been an integral part of the first team for the past decade, one who is nearly always in the starting 17 under 3 successive coaches, a player with six championship winning rings (or would have if someone hadn’t nicked them) and former international make you a prat?

Does this also account for Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow and JJB?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it so far off the mark they're facing the opposite direction.

As Dirty Harry once said "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks"

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Quote: Fat Boy "So let me get this right, defending a player that has been an integral part of the first team for the past decade, one who is nearly always in the starting 17 under 3 successive coaches, a player with six championship winning rings (or would have if someone hadn’t nicked them) and former international make you a prat?

Does this also account for Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow and JJB?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it so far off the mark they're facing the opposite direction.

As Dirty Harry once said "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks"'"

Playing devils advocate
According to a lot on here it does if you defend kirke. The 5 winners rings, being picked by 3 different coaches etc should be discarded "he is a lucky squad player lucky to be around a great team"
The same could be said of bailey.

For me he has had two seasons I have been really hopeful that he would kick on but he never really has done 2004 and 2012.

I have always thought the reaction bailey gets is OTT. Away fans vastly under rate him but at the same time I think he is generally over rated by our fans

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Thats a fair point Ferdy i think RB when available has been pretty poor this year as has Mcguire but saying that i'd still retain both over Kirke!
With regards to Mags i'd like to see Sutcliffe starting at 6 next year and see if he (Mags) comes back with a resturn to good form from the bench.
Alse re-Kirke i thought he ended the season well & really stood up but wehn the injuries hit and we needed the experienced players to take a leading role he vanished and for me thats another reason i wouldn't have retained him.
Also re-Bailey i'd have offered a 1yr deal ony with the incentive to earn a longer deal or be moved on.

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Quote: Buck Tarbrush "Are you sure ?

Not withstanding the massive contribution he made to last seasons effort .'"


Yes.

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I believe there is a big bonus for 10 games + for fringe players. Wonder what the appearance total is for fringe players!

I heard McDermott wasn't keen on Hardaker always going out drinking and socialising and McDermott playing BJB at full back and Hardaker in the centres for a couple of games was him possibly trying out next years full back.

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Quote: rugbyleague88 "I believe there is a big bonus for 10 games + for fringe players. Wonder what the appearance total is for fringe players!

I heard McDermott wasn't keen on Hardaker always going out drinking and socialising and McDermott playing BJB at full back and Hardaker in the centres for a couple of games was him possibly trying out next years full back.'"


God I hope not based on BJB's performances there.... 4.00634765625:5
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