Sums it up for me. Add in the worst kicking game in super league. The other part for me is it is so turgid and dull to watch. Lilley got hurt today driving the ball out of our 20, there was and always is loads of one out drives. We have moon, Watkins and briscoe and just don't get them in the game with any decent ball. I have seen worse Leeds teams with far worse players but our play in possession is now at Peter Fox levels for dull, boring rubbish.

That performance today was many many things, none of it good, but it wasnt spineless. We did nothing but defend for 60 minutes and in the main did it well.

If this is worst Leeds team youve ever seen you cant have watched many in 80s and 90s.

Dont get me wrong the performance today was shambolic, clueless and ill disciplined and very very poor. Dont think there was a lack of effort tho.

Ive long come to the conclusion that McD is going absolutely nowhere so ive given up commenting on it as its pointless. As for big player changes it simply isnt possible when all the squad bar Achurch are contracted for next yr. Yes Zak might go and maybe someone like Cuthbo might claim homesickness that will free up cap space but who knows? Unlikely i would think.

It wasnt by any means Lilley's fault today but if he is the answer ive no idea what the question is. Ive no idea what people see in the lad at all but as i say todays 1st half had many faults and he wasnt alone. I thought Golding did well when he came on as a positive.

All in all a miserable day be glad when season is over but cant see many changes happening at all for next yr rightly or wrongly.

I said the team was spineless, not the performance yesterday, so I ask to read it right. As for the 80's and 90's, read again. I have been going 39 years on the trot, I said we had worse players, but we have not had a team serve up such turgid crap as this week after week. That is the problem. We are so far behind the teams at the top here, who to be frank are also somewhat lacking, that it is frightening.

How this is been ignored from the top is somewhat worrying. But when fans are gullible enough to believe it, maybe not surprising.

But as i said the team defended set after set after set yesterday plenty of it thru their own poor play but i thought we defended well really given the amount of ball Huddersfield had so i cant agree with the word spineless at all. There are plenty of negative words i could use but spineless to me means lack of effort and i saw plenty of effort yesterday. Dont get me wrong tho it was a very poor performance.


As for not having team serve up crap like this week after week are you being serious? Come on pal while this season has been bad what about the season pre GH? We lost virtually ever game by 50 as the club imploded. What about in the Robin Dewhirst era? Weve had plenty of teams who havent give a and being purely at Headingley for the money. I dont believe thats the case with this team at all.

As for other fans being gullible. They are perfectly entitled to their opinions. It doesnt mean you have to go on every single thread going on and on about the same old things like you do.

Marty - Leeds weren't turgid and useless for for anywhere near as long continuously under Dewhurst (Mick Adams crossbar try in CC semi 82, finalists in John Player Trophy 83). In 96 we had a bargain basement squad as a result of the financial implosion - nowhere near as much quality on paper as this year., and we averaged a high 32 points against due to several blowouts. On the flip side we scored a lot more on average, so at least could be entertaining.

This season we lost 16 of our first 20 games in all competitions. That's waaay worse than anything over the past 30+ years. If we'd carried on that way we would have finished bottom and seen a number of horrible records fall. As it is we ended up outside the top flight for the first time EVER since we joined it over a hundred years ago. From what I've seen a lot of those early performances were spineless in every sense - our spine being rubbish and the team generally gutless.

I have little doubt BM will be coach next year, but really can't see anything other than a bog average season at best.

To be fair we was pretty turgid from 1980 to 1997 if we are honest about it.

Yes this year has been awful, yes next yr looks similar to this then we can move players out and rebuild probably under a new coach. Weve just come over a fantastic 12 years of success and that period is over but there is no point harping on and on about how poor we have been.

To say this is worst team in last 40 years is ridiculous to me.

This, we were not has bad as people make out in those poor years. I remember well the hammerings and the one against Wire and calling for Peter Fox's head, but they wer intermittent, not consistent like this side. This coach has lost the plot.

And Marty, when I said spinleless I was talking about the side. We have no spine, no halfbacks, no fullback. You can not build on a team like that.

I know this will not be believed by certain posters, but just this very morning I was talking with Sinfield and Peacock in the gym. For those that want to check out it was Thorpe Park. Niether gave a lot away, as both far too professional, but a face can say as much as words. Both however said Hindsight is great, and if Leeds could rewind time I am sure they would, but you live and learn and the club have got a lot wrong this year. Both agreed that it will take longer than the fans will probably afford them to get things right again. I asked them both to get their boots out again and show them how it is done. Peacock said after this year that is it for ever now, although the lad still looked fit enough to me in the gym.

I began watching Leeds in the mid 80s and whilst we had a brittle under belly for most of that time and no consistency, you have to take into consideration we and everyone else won little due to Wigan being so damn good. But i still enjoyed being a season ticket holder and going to games home and away back then, i wouldn't have called us a turgid side at all and when we turned it on, particularly during the Laughton years, we were a joy to watch with the likes of Schoey and Ellery pulling the strings and backs like Tait, Iro and Innes running off the back of it.

I would struggle to pick out a game during this season where i have felt we were firing on all fronts and giving value for money as a side to watch.

You can always tell when the bottom of the performance barrel is being scraped when fans begin to argue which side was the worst we've ever had - a sort of "good old days" scenario in reverse: "If you think this lot are sh$te then you should have seen...".

The reason I'm not on this site more is, to be frank, the amount of trolling on anyone daring to have an opinion different to them. That said I find it difficult to comprehend all those on here with a crystal ball that already know how next year is going to pan out. We have a full off season to recruit and a full preseason to get through before I would even dare to make a prediction.
The way GH has turned this club around in his relatively short tenure is nothing short of miraculous and I for one offer him my wholehearted support and hope he stays as CEO for a long time. Has he been lucky? You make your own luck in this world and I'm prepared to give him all the time he needs to "get lucky" again in whatever way he seems fit.
I have been a lifelong supporter of Leeds but ardently since the early 80's and to say that I haven't seen worse seasons than this years would be a lie but only one iirc when we had to win against Oldham to avoid relegation. The following year bore no resemblance whatsoever to the preceding one and with fingers crossed I pray that next year will be the same scenario

Kind of glad that I had to miss this game to work on my car. Didn't make pleasant listening on the radio though.

Leeds were only boring to watch under Peter Fox, and even then there were days we could turn it on. Our recruitment was more dramatic back then because you could easily buy/exchange players from other clubs (crap ones anyway), there was rugby union to recruit from and you could sign overseas players during their off season. Coaches didn't last long either. That's why the team could completely change it's personality every year. You can't do any of that now. What we have this year is pretty much what we've got next year. What I would say is that realistically there is only one key change we have the power to make that might significantly impact on next season, and that's to change the coaching set up. GH has done it before, Smith and Bluey both had natural lifespans at the club, you could feel it was the right time for both those guys to move on. McD should have been moved on end of last season as a winner. He wasn't and he now can't fix the issues we have on the pitch after losing Sinfield.

I think I know the season you have in mind. It was 1986/87, Leeds finished 12th of 16 with four going down - but only two coming up as the 1st division was cut to 14 for 1987/88 - Leeds lost their last four fixtures and survived only on points difference with Oldham the unlucky team going down. Both had an identical playing record having won 13 and lost 17 with Leeds surviving on -6 points difference V Oldham's -125. Leeds won 43% of their League fixtures in 1986/87 with an average score rounded to 19 - 19, 2016 by comparison was 35% and 18 - 25.

The irony perhaps for Oldham was in 1986/87 Leeds had lost both their fixtures to the Roughyeds - one under Peter Fox the other under Maurice Bamford.

Reality check for Segeyaro. he's far from the messiah.

Certainly last two games. But I prefer to look at it, and hope that is the case, that the complacent attitude running through this club as just hit him the last couple of games, and he has took it easy. Bit hypocritical, but at least it is only two games with him, rather than the 20 odd of his team mates.