Webbs not good enough anymore to displace hardaker, that's the end of it for me

1/ How very magnanimous of you


2/ Wow...how many exactly do you speak on behalf of ? I simply contribute representing myself


3/ How much then does your stance on me change/vary, to justify your post ?

Totally agree, on all counts.

...Tough on Webb in some ways, but Hardaker has proven his worth at FB: certainly enough not to lose his position on the former's (past) reputation.

Thanks for the reply Gotcha. I managed to read it before it was removed.



Except McDermott wouldn't have had to replace either if they hadn't suffered injuries and it's highly doubtful either Senior or Webb would have found themselves out of the starting line-ups had they not been crocked. Who can forget McDermott suggesting Webb's only problem was in trying too hard at times.

I'd agree but given that Webb has been our most creative force under Mcdermott's reign, given McGuire's injury and given McDermott's decision to play Burrow at hooker in the cup final I would certainly have found a place for Webb on the bench at Wembley.

For me, taking a stance like "you won't play again" is unnecessarily stubborn and not always in the best interest of the team. Seems a typical Mcdermott approach.

What if, god forbid, Hardaker was injured, would we still be saying no Webb at any cost?

I agree to an exent G1 but if Webbs attitude off the pitch was the same as it was on the pitch then it would be difficult for any coach to tolerate. In his day, Webb was the best full back I've ever seen at Leeds. Sadly those days have past. We (supporters) have acknowledged that, the coach has seemingly acknowledged that, but Webb doesn't want to! He ought to be biting Catalans hands off at the offer of 2 years to play in the south of France, regardless of anything Leeds were prepared to offer.

Diplomacy doesn't seem to be McDermotts strong point, but there's no pleasant way of telling someone they are no longer required. It's how the player reacts to it that makes the news - which is a reflection on the player, not the coach.

Look at Ali, who was also told what Senior & Webb were told. He took it on the chin, with no animosity, found another club and finished his Leeds career with a Grand Final victory.

Thats how it works in a big club. Our curent crop of stars had to bide their time, and were lucky that we had a team full of aussie crocks at the time;
in 2002 when most appeared in the first team in anger we had long-ish term injuries to clyde, mears, mullins, carrol, with the addition of the flop that was Ben Walker, meaning the likes of Diskin, Burrow, Walker, Bailey and Calderwood could come through and flourish. If some of the above mentioned high profile players had actually been a sucess that season, we may not have seen the squad come together quite the way it did. Its not just about talent, its about grabbing your chance when it comes along

This.

You used to be the future once. Thank you Brent Webb but now it's time to move on. I wouldn't select him again for Leeds after the effect his last selection had on both himself and his team-mates performances at Belle Vue (despite McDermott saying he was just trying too hard) and I said the same immediately after that performance even after making an allowance for the evil Pink Kit.

What does anybody really know about Webb's attitude?

Why did McDemott include Webb at full back for that Wakefield game in the first place? His radio comments before that game were that he appreciated how well Hardaker had played but Webb was such an important player and such a good player he had to bring him back in. So what changed in those 30 mins at Wakefield?

McDermott is a big boy. It appears he likes to talk bluntly to the players. If a player responded in like manner is McDermott really so petty that he would refuse to consider selecting that player? Note, I haven't said select. Because, if Webb is fit this charade means McDermott won't pick Webb no matter what. Had he said "The way Zak is playing he's earned the jersey and Webb must wait for his chance" I could get it. But his stubbornness on this issue isn't really benefiting the club, which is all I care about.

If rumours are to be believed (just rumours I stress) this has caused division amongst the players and led to GH having the headache of an employee complaint. All could have been avoided by decent management but not by this approach.

If rumours (again i stress rumours) are to be believed this could also be McDermott's downfall and, if so, then I suppose it's a positive.

Quite, but if rumours that Webb is fit are true, unlike Ali, Webb will be denied the same opportunity.

A young prop called Adam Walker has Rejected new terms for the giants,he must be confident in his own abilities to turn the new terms Down ,Anybody have any knowledge of him,maybe something for us.
Also The giants have finished with Scott Moore,looks his downward spiral continues ,when you looked at his form and potential several years ago you would have thought he would make the grade at top level.

I thought the official line was that Webb was injured?

Whilst on our books and fit Webb should definitely be a replacement for Hardaker, if that's the stance that McDermott has taken then I agree it's very juvenile.

Back to the cup final I wouldn't have picked Webb, I think Webb (current form) at fullback on a big pitch like wembley would be disastrous from a defensive point of view

If the option was Webb or Hardaker at fullback then Hardaker fully deserves his spot. If the option was Webb or Keinhorst on the bench then it would have been ridiculous not to choose Webb.

From watching him play and when he has a decision go against him we all know Webb never think's he's in the wrong. So maybe a more likely scenerio is that McDermott told Webb quite honest and accurately after the Wakey game (when he was quite fortunate to be accommodated in the 1st place given Hardaker's form) that after his shocking showing, that Hardaker will be 1st choice from now on and that Webb will have to really improve his attitude and earn his way back in. Now given Webb's previously mentioned tendecy to sulk and disagree with any decision made against him, instead of knuckling down and proving McDermott wrong he simply put his bottom lip out, his no showing at the disciplinary the day after the Wakefield game due to 'illness' (when McDermott was decent enough to go in his place BTW) probably show's best the attitude Webb will have taken at the time. Senior was another one who never accepted a decision against him too well and any discussion that took place between McDermott and those 2 players privately will, i imagine, been quite twisted by those players when they spoke to the rest of the squad later on.

True but we are moving onto a different argument altogether here, personally I would have wanted another forward on the bench.

Moore would have been more use than Webb or Keinhorst.