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Quote: tvoc "Likewise, those handicappers are pretty good.

I spent most of last season still believing Les Catalans form at the end of 2009 was about to reappear. It never happened. I weren't even sticking with them at the start of this season because I had any faith in them as such it's just that I had less faith in their opposition for the opening two rounds.

I'll be borrowing one of Ed's blank sheets of paper from now on.'"


Going on the performances of both teams last week, there is no way that Catalans were worth backing giving up 3/4 tries. The 20 start some bookies were giving was far too big IMO.

Just like Wire, who having been appaling last week, and having 3 senior players injured, werent 8pt favourites today.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Catalans average home attendance 2010


is it worth noting that Catalans ground as been closed in parts for redevelopment for almost 12 months now?

Since you cobbled these figures together quick enough im sure you could do the same for 2009, just as a point of reference.

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Quote: J O N N Y "Going on the performances of both teams last week, there is no way that Catalans were worth backing giving up 3/4 tries. The 20 start some bookies were giving was far too big IMO.

Just like Wire, who having been appaling last week, and having 3 senior players injured, werent 8pt favourites today.'"


I weren't concerned by the handicap, I was just backing them to win. Likewise with Hull KR for a rare win at Warrington. At least I went down without a fight.

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Quote: tvoc "I weren't concerned by the handicap, I was just backing them to win. Likewise with Hull KR for a rare win at Warrington. At least I went down without a fight.'"


Fair. You were only a few minutes away from backing a Hull KR win at least.

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Quote: Andy R "It does, but they are a lot harder to predict, as proved by your loss on the Wigan game. It was a lot easier to predict they'd win by more than 8 than guess the correct margin. You can normally see 2 or 3 alternative handicaps if you don't like the original one, obviously with different odds.

We're all mugs in the end I guess. I'm quite a happy mug this weekend but will probably fritter away most of my profits during the season!'"


I'm just not comfortable with betting on bookies handicaps. Just my preference.

5 way margins are difficult but challenging. I only bet a fiver each round on either a treble or quad. Only need to win once in a season to recoup the money. Came in twice last year during the rounds winning £172 and £130 something, so I was up for the year.

Didn't see the Wakey odds this weekend... might have been tempted myself at 7/1. Well spotted.

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Quote: J O N N Y "Since you cobbled these figures together quick enough im sure you could do the same for 2009, just as a point of reference.'"


I'm sure he could but while we're waiting I'll take a stab at it:

Catalans average home attendance 2009 = 9,159
Wakefield average home attendance 2009 = 6,037

Catalans average away attendance 2009 = 7,291
Wakefield average away attendance 2009 = 8,615

Catalans average home&away attendance 2009 = 8,225
Wakefield average home&away attendance 2009 = 7,326

*SL Regular Rds only excluding Murrayfield Magic.

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Quote: tvoc "I'm sure he could but while we're waiting I'll take a stab at it:

Catalans average home attendance 2009


Ta muchly, it was becoming quite a wait

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Quote: J O N N Y "is it worth noting that Catalans ground as been closed in parts for redevelopment for almost 12 months now?

Since you cobbled these figures together quick enough im sure you could do the same for 2009, just as a point of reference.'"


Do you wish to see the demise of Wakefield?

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "I'm just not comfortable with betting on bookies handicaps. Just my preference.

5 way margins are difficult but challenging. I only bet a fiver each round on either a treble or quad. Only need to win once in a season to recoup the money. Came in twice last year during the rounds winning £172 and £130 something, so I was up for the year.

Didn't see the Wakey odds this weekend... might have been tempted myself at 7/1. Well spotted.'"

Each to their own I guess. Likewise 1 win would more than cover me on the handicaps, and I was so bloody close today!

Ta. Thought I'd read it wrong- was too goof to be true! Mind you thought the same about hull kr at 2-1 and they got beat!

As I said-mugs game!

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Do you wish to see the demise of Wakefield?'"



Not at all, but that wasnt really the point you were making, or if it was, you werent doing a very good job.

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FWIW - the Catalans attendance for the Wakey game was over 7000 with about a dozen of those from Wakey - the new stand is under construction leaving just the two main stands and there were not many empty seats available.

as a matter of interest a recent LER game between Carcassonne v Limoux attracted 7000 fans

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Quote: J O N N Y "Not at all, but that wasnt really the point you were making, or if it was, you werent doing a very good job.'"


It's the point I've been making all along.

There's plenty here who seem to be salivating in anticipation of Wakefield getting kicked out of SL. They want it to happen.

I'm interested in discovering why these same people aren't quite as bullish about getting rid of Harlequins, Salford, Crusaders who offer even less to SL than Wakefield do?

Catalans are held up as a SL success, yet their attendances (albeit OK-ish) are not outstanding, and do not dwarf those of Wakefield.

Quins attendance against Crusaders today was 1,766. What are these two teams doing in SL? Where's the calls for those two losing their licence?

PS: I don't expect Crusaders to lose their licence yet... not while they owe the RFL an estimated £700,000 bail-out money. They shouldn't have been bailed out. The experiment in expanding SL into Wales had already resoundingly failed once they were sent packing out of South Wales. I look forward to their eventual termination however.

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Quote: sanjunien "FWIW - the Catalans attendance for the Wakey game was over 7000 with about a dozen of those from Wakey - the new stand is under construction leaving just the two main stands and there were not many empty seats available.

as a matter of interest a recent LER game between Carcassonne v Limoux attracted 7000 fans'"


Thanks for the nice round numbers.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Do you wish to see the demise of Wakefield?'"


Do you believe that Wakefield losing their SL Licence will result in the demise of the club? A couple of weeks ago, a large number of posters on their board were in favour of spending 3/6 years outside of SL.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Thanks for the nice round numbers.'"



you're welcome - alternatively you can have these figures for the Wakey game

official attendance from the club was announced as 7170 if I recall
attendance according to Sky Sports was 7500

take your pick


regarding Carcasonne v Limoux this was the figure quoted by the 'Independant' newspaper covering the game.

apologies for not being more precise.

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