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| Quote: tad rhino "So your waiting for a 'creative' job. I hope you get one. I would love a job as a porn star, being paid to service groups of ladies. In the meantime I have a job whilst it happens. As opposed to being a scrounger. How long is it since you had a proper job and how long did it last? Or is it over picky employers?'"
Porn star. Classy. I could try (I'm not going to) and pull a few strings and arrange you your dream job. How much would you want to be paid to gangbanged by a group of obese over-40s? You’re not fussy so I’ll contact a couple of people and we’ll have a whip round for £100 for you to appear. On top of that we’ll let you have commission from how much the DVD sells. If it sells well then you've got yourself a career.
Oh and by the way my dream job is to write. I’ve volunteered to write all over and had some moderate success. Hows your on the side porn career going again that you’d so much love to do?
And I’m not waiting for a ‘creative’ job. I’ll be pursuing it like every other job seeker is pursuing a job up and down this country. But it has nothing to do with writing.
I worked abroad as it happened for a couple of weeks but it wasn’t right for me. Then I worked for free at ASDA for a couple of months.
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| Well, well, well.....what a load of tosh this is.
I have been struggling in the employment stakes for a while, and I have also been to Brazil, so let me have a twopenny worth.
You have people genuinely struggling for work then you have an ample of people who really do not want to work, and everyone gets banded in the same category. People who do not want to work and make every excuse should just walk off the face of earth as far as I'm concerned.
I know many people who say they are struggling to find work, but when push comes to shove, they're not too fussed. I applied for months with knockback emails after the first stage, but then sometimes I would get as far as the online telephone interviews or the face to face interviews. Sometimes the prospective employer would never ring back to even let me know how the interview went. I got the impression that alot of employers were sick of the lack of work ethic from young people. In one interview, someone said to me "You can talk the talk, but are you going to be like some young individuals we have had, and do as little as possible, and have ever excuse in the book for not turning up".
I have worked since 16 (all the way through uni), and never been on the dole, (I worked 9pm to 4am in a bar 2 nights a week, and that pretty much felt like been on the dole), as I had so much time on my hands, and I hated it, but it would seem alot of people get used to it, like Damo for example.
I went travelling, and would I have ever asked someone to help me me fund this luxury? would I chuff
You work and work until you can afford to go, and make sacrifices on the way, like not getting drunk on saturday night in lap dancing clubs etc.
When I got back from my travels, whilst Damo was whinging about the employment situation and I suspect didn't have one interview, I got knocked back from sainsburys recruitment, even though I got 100% in the test I did, and also the same for asda stacking shelves. Both jobs, alot of younger people got the jobs instead. I also then went through an agency to order pick in a wharehouse. How depressing that was. getting told by some lad who was training us that it doesn't matter now that we've failed the education system, but least we now get decent pay. The thing is, least I tried. I was trying everything. I would have settled for been a dustbin man, even when people were taking the mickey saying "you gone to uni to do this". I thought to myself, yes but is better than claiming from the British public like alot of graduates are now doing.
At this present time, I now have 2 jobs, and worked 29hours friday and saturday combined, and on saturday alone, I did 16hours. Saturday, I was awake at 6am to go to Huddersfield for 8:30shift, until 7. I then worked 10pm until 3:30am at night. As I write this, I am doing another 10hour shift today. All these hours are more or less minimum wage, but it goes on your cv, and it looks a damm sight better than not doing anything.
No doubt this post will fall conveniently on death ears to some, but if people are as desperate for work as they're making out, I can get them a job tomorrow. The truth is, people are not prepared to do certain jobs, and the dream job for them is not out there and is out of there reach, so they settle for handouts.
This emotive subject riles me.....
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| Note to Damo: You probably should have learned by now that this is all that was going to happen when you started this thread.
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| Well done rich. Like you say, at least you tried.
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| Quote: Invincible "I went travelling, and would I have ever asked someone to help me me fund this luxury? would I chuf.'"
This is absolute double standards.
Whilst you might not had asked for money for the luxury of traveling abroad, you was more than happy for me to lend (yes lend) you £20 on the spot for the luxury to watch Wigan game when you couldn’t get money out of the cash machine. Have I seen a penny of that back yet? Nope. Have I badgered you for that money back? Nope – In fact keep the money because I wrote the debt off ages ago. And no I’m not going to bring this subject up every time you want to get a across a point.
Just be careful who you’re in debt to next time because it could be to some really nasty individual and with your gambling habit you might just get yourself in that unfortunate situation one day.
Finally please do not inherit the main flaw of the previous generation which is bias. By all means air your concerns about unemployment (I’ve aired the same opinions on these boards in the past and how convenient that it’s not moaning now) but don’t get into the popular mantra of bashing me. It’s not going to work and you’re just going to look like a bigger fool than you already are.
Tad and others will be lapping all this up. Is this what we’ve become – entertainment on a message board? This is two friend’s nit picking at each other’s flaws just to suit their viewpoint of things. If you fail to see that then I’m sorry I can’t help you!
Now I must go get a bath. I’ve got an important meeting to attend this afternoon.
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| Quote: DHM "Note to Damo
Well I thought things were different now since my article in the Yorkshire Evening Post over a month ago. No one was complaining then other than Gotcha who hasn’t even got involved in this horrific ganging up on me. I guess some people are showing their true colours and coming out of the woodworks.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy lovers.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their booty all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this -
There's a world of difference between blaming all unemployed people for being unemployed (position 1) and wanting to pay for somebody to go on holiday to get "work experience" in a country with higher unemployment than we have here (position 2). Debunked or not, nothing you've written is at all relevant to position 2 is it?
The unemployment situation is complicated and has many facets (one of which is a certain swathe of the population unwilling to work, but availability of jobs, access to training etc are clearly major factors) but none of them mean going to work on a farm in Brazil at other people's expense is the answer.
This has nothing to do with "ganging up" either, so drop the persecuted act. As witnessed after your recent appearance in the YEP, when I agree with you, I'll say so, when I don't, I'll say so. You are persisting in defending a position on here, several people disagree with it. That is neitehr "ganging up" or "horrific."
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "Well I thought things were different now since my article in the Yorkshire Evening Post over a month ago. No one was complaining then other than Gotcha who hasn’t even got involved in this horrific ganging up on me. I guess some people are showing their true colours and coming out of the woodworks.'"
Damo. Man up.
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| Quote: Wheels "Damo. Man up.'"
I can't even be bothered counting the number of words it took me to say what you have accomplished in 3.
Well played sir.
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| I've heard a lot of reasons from people over the couple of years when they've been turned down for a job. Everything from 'They won't give me a chance because of my age' to 'I must be too qualified for them and that lowly job'.
I can't really recall ever hearing somebody say 'maybe they just hired someone who was simply better than me'.
Sometimes the job market and employers need to stop being used as excuses and look at the individual.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "I've heard a lot of reasons from people over the couple of years when they've been turned down for a job. Everything from 'They won't give me a chance because of my age' to 'I must be too qualified for them and that lowly job'.
I can't really recall ever hearing somebody say 'maybe they just hired someone who was simply better than me'.
Sometimes the job market and employers need to stop being used as excuses and look at the individual.'"
Sometimes there are viable excuses. When I finished uni I struggled to get some jobs as I didn't have the experience, and some lower jobs because I was over qualified and would leave fairly quickly. ( granted I did keep looking and got 4 crap jobs to put me on)
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| Quote: El Diablo "I can't even be bothered counting the number of words it took me to say what you have accomplished in 3.
Well played sir.'"
That tends to happen when you get rather obsessive about finishing all your sentences in less than 140 characters...
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| Quote: El Diablo "That is neitehr "ganging up" or "horrific."'"
I was been very vague about who was ganging up on me and I’d never tar you with the same brush as some on this thread.
I welcome criticism as much as anyone – hence why I didn’t give Gotcha a hard time for raising a point back in the YEP thread. But what I don’t welcome is all out insults. It’s totally uncalled for as I’m sure most on here would agree.
But the verbal’s can carry on. I’ll just man up and laugh that I can provoke people like this
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "
But the verbal’s can carry on. I’ll just man up and laugh that I can provoke people like this
Glad you said this Damo 'cos I was just thinking along the lines that you really need to lighten up a little. (I know this can be difficult for some with Asperger's)
The truth is unemployment is always gonna be a bit of a political hot potato. It's one of those areas where it's easier to blame the victims than pinpoint the real causes.
I work in a school where for every low-paid support job advertised there are quite literally dozens of serious applicants, some of them quite highly qualified. This is lost on those who swallow the Torygraph/Daily Mail 'they're all scroungers' line (usually backing up their ill-founded prejudices with some skimpy anecdotal evidence).
Having said that, I do find the idea of paying someone to go and look for work in Brazil more than as little ludicrous.
Now if you said my mate is desperate for the bus fare to go to an interview on the other side of Leeds, I might be more easily persuaded to help.
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| OK to put a point on this debate. The unemployed fall into one of three categories.
1) Unemployed but doing everything in their power to get a job.
2) Unemployed because they are either physically or mentally unable to work
3) Lazy doalls who refuse to try and get a job, instead insisting that the predicament that they are in is down to everyone else while believing that they are entirely blameless or not even trying to help themselves.
P.S. still waiting for PM's regarding donations for my holiday because 'I'm a nice guy who gives money to charity'.
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