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Quote: ThePrinter "Not mobile enough even at the start of games let alone possibly halfway through a game after already making 20/30 tackles. Not worth it just to have a 3rd prop on the bench who realistically you'd struggle to give many minutes to.'"


If that's the case then:

Hardaker
Golding Watkins Moon Handley
McGuire Lilley
Garbutt Burrow Galloway
JJB Keinhorst
Singleton/Sutcliffe.

Cuthbertson Mullally Ferres Sutcliffe/Singleton

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Frosties. "If that's the case then

Sutcliffe at loose trying to do the big defensive stints JJB's doing and JJB's not being mobile enough for defending at 2nd row just so Singleton (whose been poor recently) can be in the 17 instead of a proper 2nd rower......no thanks.

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Give Watkins a rest. Absolutely horrendous last week. Keep Keinhorst in the centres

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "Give Watkins a rest. Absolutely horrendous last week. Keep Keinhorst in the centres'"


I would do if he had more 2nd rowers fit but think Keinhorst is needed there. Can't start with Achurch there again.

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Ooh, a bunch of injured players returning for the Cup. What a shock. Anyone would have thought they couldn't give a toss about the league, but it must just be a coincidence they are all fit at the same time.

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "Give Watkins a rest. Absolutely horrendous last week. Keep Keinhorst in the centres'"


Or give Watkins some decent ball.

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Bunches of players providing sudden and miraculous returns to action at key points during a season after extracting the urine during the regular season league fixtures is nothing new at Leeds. The club and the players crafted this method into an art form twice from 5th and should have done the same from 6th but screwed up in the 6th V 7th home play-off against WBFFFSLR.

This particular art form also played key roles during several CC rounds when certain players suddenly recovered their fitness levels.

It'll be interesting to see what players Leeds have available this Friday.

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Bet Achurch plays (sorry, "is selected", he hasn't played all season).

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Quote: thebloodbath "Or give Watkins some decent ball.'"


Watch the first 40 from Friday. Can't catch a cold

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Quote: ThePrinter "Not mobile enough even at the start of games let alone possibly halfway through a game after already making 20/30 tackles. Not worth it just to have a 3rd prop on the bench who realistically you'd struggle to give many minutes to.'"


Mobility is an interesting wider point. Won't get into the 17 v Hudd point but think we have a serious, hard to fix issue of lack of mobility/pace in current squad and in particular the pack. We know achurch is leaving and have jjb, ferres and falloon out of contract at year end. At start of year I would have thought this would be the last year of JJB but he has stormed back. If he gets another 1 year deal we have lots of slow back row men.


Stevie ward will help but if you compare our pack to Wigan the lack of athleticism is a big problem in my view. In back row they have some real pace Farrell, Tomkins , Bateman and isa. Their props are also far quicker. A lot has been written about some of the limitations of Wigan props but as all round players I think. Flower is a fair bit better than any Leeds prop except cuthbo. I think Crosby is also a shade better. Sutton is a real prospect and although clubb and in particular tautai make errors they are all mobile. As a collective our pack is way down in comparison. Suspect the hope is Walters can improve his overall game as he has clearly been picked from RU for his athletic potential.

Add in slowing halves and I believe it is a key factor In our low scoring attack.
For me it also means opposition teams see limited threats from us. This is over simplified but stop hardaker and Watkins getting clear and you can probably catch all the rest.


Some interesting choices for recruitment and retention lie ahead but not sure any quick fixes.

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Quote: Mark Laurie " Add in slowing halves and I believe it is a key factor In our low scoring attack.'"


Yet with pretty much similar squad, probably slower because of Sinfield, Peacock and Leuluai we scored the most points last year.

As for the rest, one of the big issues with RL today is that we end having picking utility athletes over guys who can play a certain role.

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Quote: ploinerrhino "Hardaker back Friday
Moon back Friday
Cuthbertson back Friday
Mags back Friday

Delaney 50/50

Hall still missing
Briscoe still missing
Ablett still missing
Ward still missing

all info not confirmed , but my reliable source says his reliable source is reliable


p.s hopefully Achurch and Falloon are both missing and never found'"


Is your reliable source called Horses Mouth by any coincidence? icon_wink.gif

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Just a little common sense I think.

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Well, Moon, Mags & Delaney still missing. 8 out of arguably the first choice 17 not fit to play, again!

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Quote: Old Feller "Well, Moon, Mags & Delaney still missing. 8 out of arguably the first choice 17 not fit to play, again!'"


We're just keeping players fresh ready for the middle 8's campaign. They've won everything else, might as well go for a new 'league' title and win the middle 8's icon_biggrin.gif

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