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| Quote: Andy Gilder "
Not quite sure how people are leaping to the conclusion that England are somehow a team of world-beaters being held back by McNamara's coaching'"
Not sure anybody IS stating that are they? I personally can't think much further back than that awful manisfestation of his stamp on his team at the Olympic Stadium in London. Ughh! Yes we won the series, but god it was a boring brand of rugby. Wayne Bennett can only be relied on to produce more of the same I'm sure; but maybe - hopefully - with more victories. |
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Bennet is a great coach, but we are in danger of going down the David Waite route of a team of loose forwards, pick the best 13 players then try and sort them into positions, and boring safety first rugby. Would have preferred Brian Mac or a coach who encourages open play.
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I don't get where the idea of Bennett being a completely safety-first automaton comes from. NZ hardly played that way when he was heavily involved with them, and he has two of the flair players in the NRL at Brisbane in Milford and Parker and he lets them play heads up.
My only problem with this appointment is that if England do knock Australia off their perch they'll see it as being entirely down to the Aussie genius in charge rather the outstanding group of English players that have developed over the last decade.
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What is disappointing if this is true is why can we not develop true international class coaches here?
His appointment would mean that the England cricket, RU & RL teams are all coached by Aussies & of course the count cricket champions are also coached by an Aussie.
All our technical staff need to take a long hard look at themselves to see why they are falling short.
It seems that it's only in cycling that we have a truly world beating coaching set-up led by an Englishman.
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England were successful against New Zealand by playing a style that suited the resources they have. Don't have the halves or outside backs to play an expansive game, so need to get field position and grind teams down particularly in the sort of poor conditions the majority of that series was played in.
If you try to turn England into the Harlem Globetrotters, you're not going be successful.
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Quote: Andy Gilder "England were successful against New Zealand by playing a style that suited the resources they have. Don't have the halves or outside backs to play an expansive game, so need to get field position and grind teams down particularly in the sort of poor conditions the majority of that series was played in.
If you try to turn England into the Harlem Globetrotters, you're not going be successful.'"
No.....but if you were to play the game that Leeds did last season with the right personnel you can be.
As for the claim of not having the outside backs, does that not directly contradict the widely held opinion about the Leeds' outside backs in the same season ...and that maybe you could have filled the 'Moon hole' with Percival?
Many also felt it was a mistake not to include the very much in form McGuire; thus further contesting the claim about the lack of good halves.
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Quote: Andy Gilder "England were successful against New Zealand by playing a style that suited the resources they have. Don't have the halves or outside backs to play an expansive game, so need to get field position and grind teams down particularly in the sort of poor conditions the majority of that series was played in.
If you try to turn England into the Harlem Globetrotters, you're not going be successful.'"
No.....but if you were to play the game that Leeds did last season with the right personnel you can be.
As for the claim of not having the outside backs, does that not directly contradict the widely held opinion about the Leeds' outside backs in the same season ...and that maybe you could have filled the 'Moon hole' with Percival?
Many also felt it was a mistake not to include the very much in form McGuire; thus further contesting the claim about the lack of good halves.
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| Quote: dalesrhino "Well that is the end of Cuthbertsons England aspirations then. No place for an offloading forward in his boring system. Come to think of it probably no place for any Leeds players. We are far too flamboyant'"
I wouldn't say that. Bennett has signed him twice. He obviously rates the guy. |
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| Quote: Gotcha "Bennett was a great coach. Key is WAS. This sort of appointment is at least 10 years outdated.'"
How do you reach that conclusion? |
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| Quote: Gotcha "Bennett was a great coach. Key is WAS. This sort of appointment is at least 10 years outdated.'"
In the last 10 years he has won 2 grand finals and reached another last year, without checking that probably the best record of any nrl coach except Des Hasler and Craig Bellamy if you count the stripped titles?? |
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From what I've read Bennett has been asked to be involved with England in some form but that hasn't even been defined yet. It hardly reads as becoming the head coach.
Where Bennett could be very useful is the psychological part - he helped the Kiwis believe they could beat Australia. A coach with his reputation telling an England team that they can beat the Kangaroos might help a lot, as we seem to have a mental problem with Australia which we don't have with NZ.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "From what I've read Bennett has been asked to be involved with England in some form but that hasn't even been defined yet. It hardly reads as becoming the head coach.
Where Bennett could be very useful is the psychological part - he helped the Kiwis believe they could beat Australia. A coach with his reputation telling an England team that they can beat the Kangaroos might help a lot, as we seem to have a mental problem with Australia which we don't have with NZ.'"
Agree totally. he could do an Obe Wan job . |
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At international level there should be little need to improve anyone physically. 90% of it should be about the mental side.
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| Quote: tigertot "At international level there should be little need to improve anyone physically. 90% of it should be about the mental side.'"
Fully agree. just posted the same on the VT. We now have the players to mix it competitively.At International level margins are tight and its about executing game plans and believing in yourself. We need a coach who can instil that, and will get the players buying into it 100%. |
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Just to dot the i's and cross the t's, McNamara's departure officially announced.
Says they expect to announce a replacement today. Could be too early for it to Bennett who it sounded like would discuss it when he came over for the WCC, so he might just be working with a new coach.
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Just to dot the i's and cross the t's, McNamara's departure officially announced.
Says they expect to announce a replacement today. Could be too early for it to Bennett who it sounded like would discuss it when he came over for the WCC, so he might just be working with a new coach.
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Thanks Steve, you did better than I expected & better than most have given you credit for. I am enthused the RFL seem to have done the difficult thing rather than the standard renewal. Fingers crossed for Richard Agar/Bobbie Goulding double act.
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