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| Kirke was our weakest forward tonight IMO
As for Bailey another good performance from TMFMISL
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| Quote: G1 "Honestly Andy, it isn't bias. It's honest observation. I had a guest sat next to me tonight that doesn't usually watch the games with me and we made a point of observing Kirke. He had a couple of nice offloads, one dominant tackle I can recall but he simply concedes the vast majority of collisions.'"
I thought Kirke had his best game by far of the season, and i think that your being very harsh on him
Kirke is a similar player to Bailey in the fact that some speccies dont often realise what certain players qualities bring to the team, they are not game breakers admittedly, but they certainly compliment the flair players in our side with the un noticed stuff they do
Kirke has played in the last 3 GF's, so both Tony Smith and Bluey's opinions appear to agree that he brings much needed attributes to the side would you not agree?
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| Quote: The Biffs Back "I thought Kirke had his best game by far of the season, and i think that your being very harsh on him
Kirke is a similar player to Bailey in the fact that some speccies dont often realise what certain players qualities bring to the team, they are not game breakers admittedly, but they certainly compliment the flair players in our side with the un noticed stuff they do
Kirke has played in the last 3 GF's, so both Tony Smith and Bluey's opinions appear to agree that he brings much needed attributes to the side would you not agree?'"
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| Quote: Andy R "
Kirke IMO is an honest pro, the type every squad needs. he doesn't miss many tackles and he isn't work shy. He rarely gets driven backwards in the tackle. He can play prop and second row and has been an integral part of our triple championship winning side.
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This is a decent assessment. The only thing I'd add is to steal the words of another. He probably gets more game time at a club like ours than he should. My main frustration is that with his size and physical presence he should be a much more dominant player. He frustrates me, which I will conceded, might, just might, colour, but not cloud, my impeccable judgment Perhaps.
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| Quote: Lawrie L "Kirke was our weakest forward tonight IMO
As for Bailey another good performance from TMFMISL'"
Weaker than Eastwood???
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| Quote: The Biffs Back "I thought Kirke had his best game by far of the season, and i think that your being very harsh on him
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Hardly a decent yardstick though Kirke is nothing like Bailey IMO. The stats might be comparable but the quality of their work and the aggression is on a completely different planet.
Quote: The Biffs Back "Kirke has played in the last 3 GF's, so both Tony Smith and Bluey's opinions appear to agree that he brings much needed attributes to the side would you not agree?'" Yes, I would. That doesn't mean he had a good game tonight though so I am not sure why that's relevant on my assessment. BTW, it appears I am not alone in that assessment so maybe it's not just my bias?
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| Quote: G1 "This is a decent assessment. The only thing I'd add is to steal the words of another. He probably gets more game time at a club like ours than he should. My main frustration is that with his size and physical presence he should be a much more dominant player. He frustrates me, which I will conceded, might, just might, colour, but not cloud, my impeccable judgment
If I knew how to bookmark this I would.
G1 concedes and admits errors of judgement (all be it very reluctantly!)
One last point, if we'd had a fully fit to choose from he'd have seen nowhere near the amount of game time he has. We've needed him more than we expected this year and he's stepped up and not let anyone down
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| Quote: Andy R "If I knew how to bookmark this I would.
G1 concedes and admits errors of judgement (all be it very reluctantly!)
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| I agree with G on this. I closely kept an eye on Kirke on his drives during the first half. I dont think he won many collision, if any at all. Very easy for the Wire defence.
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| Quote: G1 "I admitted my Judgment being coloured, not errors. Nosiree bob
Should I replace "stepped up"with "charged forwards"
Out of interest - Grand Final is next week, there's one bench spot remaining to compliment a pack of Kylie, Buderus, JP, Ablett, JJB, Sinfield plus Diskin, Bailey, Eastwood (we'll pretend Ali is injured)
Would you pick Kirke or Burgess?
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| Quote: Andy R "Weaker than Eastwood???'"
Eastwood IMO isn't 100% and looks a bit rusty, know what you mean but I think its a bit unfair to judge
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| Quote: Lawrie L "Eastwood IMO isn't 100% and looks a bit rusty, know what you mean but I think its a bit unfair to judge'"
No, don't get me wrong. I'm not judging Eastwood at all, he's clearly not match fit.
Was just surprised you had him in front of Kirke tonight
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| Quote: Andy R "Should I replace "stepped up"with "charged forwards"
Out of interest - Grand Final is next week, there's one bench spot remaining to compliment a pack of Kylie, Buderus, JP, Ablett, JJB, Sinfield plus Diskin, Bailey, Eastwood (we'll pretend Ali is injured)
Would you pick Kirke or Burgess?'"
Good question and a tough question. Burgess has more upside but Kirke has less downside if you know what I mean? Burgess could have great forward and superb offloads but could spill some ball and be leaden footed defensively whereas Kirke will remain hum drum with few errors but little of note.
I'd select.....................................Ambler.
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| Quote: Andy R "No, don't get me wrong. I'm not judging Eastwood at all, he's clearly not match fit.
Was just surprised you had him in front of Kirke tonight'"
Thing is with Kirke his drive strength isn't there and you look at say young Ambler who legs keep pumping and breaks tackles yet is smaller than Kirke (may not be the best example)
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| Quote: G1 "Good question and a tough question. Burgess has more upside but Kirke has less downside if you know what I mean? Burgess could have great forward and superb offloads but could spill some ball and be leaden footed defensively whereas Kirke will remain hum drum with few errors but little of note.
I'd select.....................................Ambler.
Big game, reliable player or a coaches nightmare, Kirke every time.
I'd like Scruton, I always did, you're not having Ambler!
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