Spot on

Yep. I watched it back tonight and Danny McGuire said in studio you cant afford a bad start as you become too desperate for that first win and confidence can drain quickly. Our first win will be wakey followed by a 50/50 against Cas. Could be 1-4 after that quite easily

We don’t know how much the WCC has taken out of Saints yet, I wouldn’t automatically write that game off we will break our losing streak against them at some point

Forgot to say that Martins defence was a real weak link. Looks unfit to me too. Seems to escape criticism, but really needs to improve imho….

I noticed that he was flagging at around the 60 minute mark. Walking back into position, avoiding play, that kind of thing. He wasn't the only one either.

I thought MacDonald looked unfit during the same period. He looked like he was struggling at times, and sadly those that suggested he may have being passed fit too early might be right.

Over all, the teams performance looked a bit more positive. Some good passages of play, some good breaks, a hint of skillful ball handling, and some good defence in parts. But something still seems to be lacking. Consistency isn't there, nor leadership. We could have walked away with a win tonight, but we don't look like we could beat anyone and everyone.

Rohan needs to seriously question the current style of play, and reassess. The passive defence is losing too much yardage. We had three break away runs that could have been converted into points if there was actually some support. We had wingers with space not receiving the ball. We handed over the ball on soft sixth tackle plays instead of taking the 50/50 chance of gathering a high kick. The list goes on.

Mostly we just do not look like a fit team who actually want to fight for every inch of the pitch for 80 minutes.

I was impressed with Sangare & Holroyd, can’t wait til Oledzki & Bentley are back though plus I’d give Sam Walters a go before Donaldson who adds absolutely nothing.

Having rewatched it were very, very ordinary around that spine again. Austin probably the pick but I'm not sure he has the talent to make that off the cuff stuff really effective. And for all the clever sounding stuff preseason, we look a side woefully short on ideas, other than the odd attempt to catch defenders napping.

Effort was there. That’s the main thing. We have good players and a big, strong back line. We’ll come good, players were communicating well and clearly frustrated at end. That’s a good sign….

Smith was a lot happier after the game. As well as the passive defence, I hope he rethinks some selections.

Handley is not a centre. Supposedly Olpherts can play there, but of those three only Roberts actually looks like a centre. MacDonald on the right was OK, but I'm pretty sure he's played most of his career on the left?

With Gannon out maybe McDonnell comes straight in. Agree Donaldson is a bit of a waste of a spot. Walters would add more size to the bench, and Lisone needs to be kept out of the team until he gets fit. He should be at the Bulls, not getting out of puff with Leeds.

From being one of our best last year, Martin has started really poor. Offering nothing with the ball and making some poor efforts in defence. Hope he regains his form.

Gannon. While I wouldn't question his bravery, that's more games missed. Someone needs to sort that technique. In its own way it's as daft as players repeatedly picking up bans for the same offences. In fact more so, considering the potential consequences.

I should have explained myself a bit better. The poor sets of 6 in their 20, not kicking on last tackle, lateral one out runs reminded me of Agar type stuff.

Looking at positives I thought fusitua looked bit sharper and ran hard, took try well. Mc Donald ran well. Holroyd better again and Tet had a better game.

On sezer, 40/20 was great and he did the long ball to Fusitua to score and tackled well in the main. Which was more than say Myler. 1,6,7 and for mine in particular 9 are not cohesive enough.

Don’t think we are at panic stations yet. I’ve been crying out for more presence up front and the addition of Sangare and return of Holroyd is a huge boost there. Add Oledski and we look half decent suddenly.

We have some interesting options in the back line now although I don’t know what our settled 1-5 is yet. Great to see Fusitua getting stuck in; there is a player in there somewhere.

I really do think Smith needs to wield the axe at the end of this year though. Too many of our players are just not good enough - we have too many “solid SL” players and not enough Leeds quality.

I think weve already seen Smith isn’t afraid to get rid of deade wood, I would think he can’t wait to get his own half backs next year, I will say though Austin hasn’t been that bad, he gives 100% i realise that’s not always enough though

On reflection, a close game that just went Hull's way.
A couple of passes stick and we win it.
Much improved from last week, but still a way to go.
Holroyd and Smith were the pick and McDonald looked good going forward.
1, 7 & 9 are a big concern.
If O'Connor is not first choice 9, then we need a new one. Leeming is not good enough. We need control from there.
Sezer is a problem. Doesn't look interested and you can go 30 mins in a game without seeing him.
Myler is in his last season and is making mistakes.
Austin tries hard, but it always looks like desperation stuff.

If we can get Sangare and Lisone fit, we have a good prop rotation.
Mik, Harry and Bentley will make a difference.

Calls for his head are ridiculous, but two criticisms of Smith.
The passive defence and no pressure on the kicker is not good. It's giving the opposition momentum.
Changes get made too late - why did Sangare not come on earlier. He needs to rotate the big guys more.

The sliding defence is also a concern. We look like we will concede a lot of tries out wide.