Furner's team could score points for fun but couldn't defend.

Agar's team can defend all of a sudden but now look clueless in attack.

It doesn't look good with Saints up next, but hopefully the challenge will inspire some kind of miracle performance. I'm guessing Saints won't rest players against us.

Watkins looks to be leaving at the end of this month too so we could be stuck with Ferres in the BR even if Ward is fit

Not putting on Oledzki seemed nuts. Agree with Exeter we are now playing turgid rubbish with the ball again. Reckon that is worst Wigan side I have seen since they went down. I think it’s now quite likely we will be relegated.
I think this is the most talentless pair of regular half. Backs I have ever seen at Leeds in 50 years, we are rudderless and letting Watkins go and potentially Parcell seems insane with 11 games to go.
Pushing Watkins out whilst offering Ferres a deal is a reflection of an organisation that has lost the plot.
Temporary coach with no assistant it’s a mess.

Relegation talk is still too early IMO, where has it been said Ferres has been offered a deal?

Can't see Ferres being offered a deal. He is on big money 4 year deal and has not paid back even a slice of that.He will be one ear marked for the chop since last summer.

Clueless with the ball, last tackle plays are at junior level. Myler's attacking kicks, even when under no pressure, are abysmal. He is ok at finding touch to slow the game down, but that is the extent of his kicking game.
In Agar's defence we have at least got some steel and backbone in defence. There does seem to be a team spirit and resilience that never appeared under Furner.

I’m not that disappointed to be honest, I’m more frustrated than disappointed.

I think we are a much better team than 4/5 weeks ago when everyone knew we were soft as.

We at least appear relatively difficult to break down now. That is significant progress.

I’ve moved from thinking we need to change most of the team to seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

I agree with the consensus on Lolohea, Myler, Sutcliffe and Ferres. I’ve often defended Myler however tonight was indefensible. You can’t kick like that that often in a game. 1 bad kick yes. Not that many. And it totally relieved the pressure we’d worked hard to apply to Wigan.

Sutcliffe offered nothing. I don’t think we were any better really with Smith on but we certainly weren’t any worse.

Lolohea offered nothing attacking wise from full back and was weak again defensively. Out of position several times and as I’ve said previously he wimped out of taking a hit in the first half.

Ferres, his stats probably look ok but Christ he has the turning circle of the Titanic. For a second rower he shouldn’t have been so easily bypassed for Wigan’s try in the 2nd half and it was frankly embarrassing to see him rounded by a prop that I reckon I could catch.

I’m also going to criticise Dwyer a bit here. Im going to preface the criticism by saying his enthusiasm and effort is obviously great, however...it’s not always directed well enough. A couple of times he went flying out of the line trying to solve an issue that wasn’t his to solve and left a massive gap, that in the 2nd half Wigan ran through to score.
Also his schizophrenic acting half play causes us issues in attack.

For me, if we can change 3/4 players I think we’ll be a much better team and look much more potent in attack. The forwards have pulled their socks up and are doing their bit. It’s the spine that let us down today in my opinion.

So for the next game I’d go with:
1. Walker - Golding if Walker not fit
2. Briscoe
3. Newman
4. Hurrell
5. Handley
6. McLelland
7. Myler - we have no better option
8. Singleton - much better today imo!
9. Parcell
10. Cuthbertson
11. Watkins
12. Donaldson - Ward when back fit
13. Merrin

14. Dwyer
15. Ava
16. Oledzki
17. Ferres - Donaldson when Ward fit

I don’t see how McLelland could be any worse than Sutcliffe or Lolohea and it would at least be experience for him.
I’d keep Dwyer in the team but use him almost like a Burrow type impact hooker for 15/20 mins per game

We’re not great but we’re comfortably better then our 2005 and 2006 sides. I’d say the 2005 side that got beat 70-0 at your place the week before our 75-0 defeat at Saints would take some beating to that award.

Two pretty poor sides tonight for sure but an enjoyable game to watch all the same.

Our only method of attack was to get the ball to Hurrell at every opportunity. I wish Newman had been given the same service.

Dwyer has been one of our better players all season, but i thought that he overdid the solo runs from dummy half tonight.

Maybe its debatable Nicky but lets not forget the 70s put on you were by two ATG SL sides ln Saints and Leeds mid 2000's which would wipe the floor with anything SL had to offer in this period imo.

Honestly its quite shocking how both our sides have regressed in such a short space of time.

Ferres and Donaldson haven't been offered new deals yet, and hopefully that remains the case.