I agree, Cats were there for the taking.
Less penalties and dropped balls and we could have been closer to them.
Problem is that when we did get near their line we were clueless.

And of course Cats will say that if they had made less errors then they would have smashed us.
They dropped the ball when over the line twice effectively coughing up 12 points.

Croft makes a huge difference to us in attack and especially in good ball. Who plays against Saints then assuming he is back: Sinfield/Croft or Frawley/Croft?

It’s sounds strange to say this, but Fridays game isn’t the worst loss to take of the season. Few young players in, south of France is a tough place to go, I think winning would have been very tough. And the score line did blow out towards the end.

It’s all the stats around the season which are totally unacceptable. London, Hull FC and Castleford and three of the most disgraceful sides ever to grace SL, and to say they are outperforming us in territory and errors is utterly unacceptable.

Yes, the coach is clearly not up to it, but who are the players taking responsibility? Who is going to tell Miller he can’t take drop outs or kick offs anymore, as he’s made way too many errors on them. Who is driving the standards on the pitch and at training, which simply allow such poor technical performance. I don’t mind the young players making mistakes, but how many players of 100 senior games plus are just not up to standard. How come Sam Walters leaves and tells us the training is harder at Wigan. And how come Hurrell, who was utterly garbage for us, has now won a grand final. All this talk of culture and players liking each others company and being connected is utter nonsense. Who is going to be an a****ole screaming at other players to do better the way Danny mags used to.

Every. Single. Word. Of. This. The biggest problem is the passive culture, no one anywhere in the club is holding people to high enough standards.

I'm sure it's already been said but, Corey Johnson, why? 3 minutes! And still sangare gets picked what does he offer that TNW couldn't. Injuries accepted smiths squad decisions tactics and ability to get what's available to play to their potential is sadly lacking.

Yes because screaming at each other is how winning teams are made…

We need more players who can inspire through their quality.

Having said that we need to stop being soft on these kicking errors from certain players: give the responsibility to someone else.

I like TNW but he is small for a prop. He look more like a chunky 13 to me to be honest. Saw him play at York and he didn’t stand out against men.

In any walk of life if you are holding other people responsible for their performance, you’ve already lost. People should be motivated to be responsible for their own performance.

Most players will be harder on themselves making mistakes than anyone else.

you never played sport at a decent level obviously jim

That’s true but I must have missed you on the Rhinos team sheet…..?

It’s OK people parroting what the Sky pundits are saying. A Peacock, Maguire or Sculthorpe or Farrell might, to some extent, get away with a bout of petulance because they were amazing players. If we had a player as good as them now we’d be a much better team with or without some yelling. What makes the team successful, shouting at poor performance or having 5 England internationals in it? .

Most of these standards should be set in training. You have to practice to perform.

And the building trade is well renowned for high performance and no dysfunction in companies.

I think the difference in how you and I see this matter Jim, is what you describe as a bout of petulance, I see as holding people accountable for their mistakes in a team sport. Shouting in sport is not necessarily the same as doing it in an office environment for example. Team Sportspeople are highly motivated by not letting their mates down, and without holding them to account when they do, you see a slip into accepted mediocrity like we are witnessing at Leeds, Hull FC and Castleford right now. All three clubs are capable of much better performances, and when the players (and coaches) are held to account they are more likely to improve the performance, this is simple management (something I have a lot of experience of).

Happy to debate, it's always respectful between us.