Not for wanting to sound like a stuck record but they look poorly coached (even given the challenges this year) evidenced again by another poor interview by Walker.

Feel a bit sorry for this age group their careers have been badly impacted by Covid but if we are honest the team that played today is badly short on quality.

You put Gannon, Levi, Gatus and Tindall in the team and it improves it dramatically but, rightly so, 3 of those are playing at a much higher level currently. We are pretty short on quality in terms of depth but in Gannon and Levi weve 2 of the best prospects going so that compensates it.

Saying that tho there is no way this team shouldve gifted KR a way back into the game like it did. No idea what they was doing at times.

Wakey away Thursday night. Must improve.

Agreed, these same players looked excellent at scholarship level, plenty of them looked excellent at Origin level 2 week ago...Look like theyv never met each other under Chev.

Im not a fan of how we approach our Academy head coach position, its a vital couple of year in a players development and we just give the role to an unqualified ex player and hope for the best it seems. Morley was an absolute disaster, Rob did pretty well and now Chev is more Morley than Rob imo, we look clueless under him.

Mark Butterills the best coach at the club below the first team, the best junior coach in the country imo...I dont know his situation so not going to say what role he should or shouldnt have, but the more time he spends around our young players the better it is for the club and the players, if that means a promotion, if he wants it, we should be doing it.

The U19s side we *could* put out would wipe the floor with everyone at this level to be fair.

I’m going to put this out there and say that the talent in our system right now is better than it’s ever been in my time watching. We pretty much have a 1-13 side of home-grown players either already in first grade, or knocking on the door.

Maybe some of these players would have been picked up by Bradford Bulls back in the day, but whatever the reasons we really do have a bumper crop overall. Happy times.

Thats not strictly true, they should wipe the floor with everybody, but a near full strength team got beat by Cas at headingley earlier this season with only really Gannon not playing. The team yesterday had Rep players everywhere, be that England Youth or Yorkshire Academy, more than enough that they should be beating a poor HKR team easily. The issue i have isnt the talent in the system, we have good talents everywhere, but even the best need good coaching at young age to reach there full ability.

What good coaching looks like is subjective, but for me, a lot of our 19's looked more intelligent rugby players at 16 than they do at 18

Not sure I agree Jim to be honest. The standard of the junior game is very poor. The standard of opposition the U17s played was actually embarrassing KR was only team they played that had an idea. We have some outstanding kids in our club but most are now in the full time squad and not in the academy system. I look at yesterdays 19s and look at our 17s and they arent that great. In fact both teams are poor.

A few ago the standards was much better but thats a game issue not only a Leeds issue.

Bastian has been brought in to widen the search for talent and to manage, structure and organise the whole department. Leeds believe we can really take advantage the next couple of years as clubs are really going to struggle financially.

Agar believes Butterill, Walker and Simon Bell are the right people to work alongside him.

Covid will impact the sport much more than people realise at all levels. It already has.

We have to remember also that the club released an entire age group during covid so these 19s lost a years development, came back not in rugby shape and have no older kids in the team.

The entire team is 1st year 19s and have no 2nd years to carry the load when needed. We didnt play any full timers with them either.

Every clubs players were in the same boat regarding covid and missing a years development.

Yeaterdays 18 man squad had two 3rd year 19s, ten 2nd year 19s and six first year 19s. So not particularly young.

Think the 17's (first year academy) are a quality group, Gannon, Edwards, Edgill, Simpson, Gatus, Morgan are all very good imo. 4 were very good playing a year up in the academy origin while Gannon is doing it in the first team with Morgan just back from injury.

There might have been 10 x 2nd years Matt but they didnt play or train for a year, thats the point im making. The 2nd years are really 1st years bar a couple of games last season.

But it was the same for every club, if it had just been us then thats different, but with every club being in the same boat then we can only judge it off there age group.

Yeah it was and its impacted every team. The standard of all teams is really low at both 17s and 19s. Lads have lost a massive and key part of their development and standards across the board are lower.

I watched all the 17s games live apart from London away and the standard was embarrassing really. I said earlier that KR was only team with a clue but looking back at it now the standard of that 2nd half was a joke actually and they was the best team we played. Ive watched all the 19s games bar Cas away.

The community game will have been massively impacted by Covid which will have a knock on effect on scholarship and academy rugby for a few years to come. The game isnt producing key position players and hasnt for a while..

Im not accepting the 19s yesterday but these lads have really been unlucky with the timing. Jeez theyve only played a handful of games this season and its August now and they have missed countless training sessions due to the virus all season long. Its little wonder theyve taken a step backwards. We shouldnt be too harsh on them. I feel sorry for them actually.

I understand all that, just dont accept that we'r dissadvantaged with a young squad when every team has had the same things to deal with, yesterdays squad had ten 2nd years, they missed a year of development like every other teams 2nd years, if we'r classing our 2nd years as 1st years then you have to do the same with every other club.

Im not actually criticising or being harsh on the players , i think theres some good players in the group, i think theyr being badley coached, iv maintained that opinion throughout, my opening post in this thread about the qualitys of the players in our 19s hasnt really changed...the 2nd years have some good players, especially forwards, the first years are a very good group with a bit of potential star power.

I think the quality goes in cycles, regardlees of covid, dont think the standard is any different overall, we'v had some shocking intakes over the years where the talent just hasnt been there or we'v done a bad job identifying it, and we'v had some excellent ones. Our 1st year academy are very good, one of our best for years imo with some very good players at other clubs in the same age group, our u16s arnt great imo and our u15s and the 15s talent in yorkshire overall is good.

Im not saying weve been disadvantaged Matt im saying its understandable the lads havent improved when theyve not played games and have missed a ton of training sessions. Every team has been in the same boat. Every individual player will react differently.

You keep saying we had 10 x 2nd year lads but to me they are 1st years cos last year didnt happen did it? I mean they wasnt even allowed at the training ground, even now they arent allowed in the building. If you want to say they are 2nd years thats fine, i get that. To me they are playing their 1st year but its irrelevant really.

The group has been hit by covid as recently as 2 weeks ago when we had to cancel the Wigan game.

Be honest tho how many of yesterdays team will make the grade at Leeds? You put Gannon, Levi, Tindall and Gatus in and we win easily yesterday. Weve talented kids but most wasnt on the field yesterday.

Are the kids being coached properly? No cos training sessions arent happening as regular as they should, the players arent allowed in the 1st team facilities and the players have played 5 games in nearly 18 months. All i can go on is Agar says Chev is right man, Sinfield thought same and i remember Jonny Wainhouse telling me Chev was best coach at club and right man for the job following Rob. Maybe they are wrong and maybe others have different opinions.

Most of the good kids by pass the 19s system and go from scholarship to full time in truth anyway.

We will always have good kids thats for sure.

How many of hull krs kids will go on to have careers in the game though marty? Our calibre of player yesterday was more than enough to beat that hull kr team, man for man we were miles better on individual talent, even without the players missing. Its walkers job to get the best out of them, you can take what you here off the people at the club, i can only go by what i see on the pitch, they look a poorly coached team, the same players looked far better at origin level the other week, against better opposition with less coaching time. They looked absolutley clueless yesterday. Im not saying we havnt got talented kids, im saying the exact opposite, we'v got excellent kids that are badley coached imo.

Very rare do the really good kids by pass the 19's, gannons one of the very few. Nearly every kid in our first team played 19's, even the ones who sign pro contracts from scholarship play 19's. Very few even get pro contracts straight from scholorship.

I keep saying ten 2nd years because thats what they are marty, thats the age group they are in, no matter what circumstances they had to deal with, because every club had those same circumstances. Like you say, every player will react differently to the years development missed, so all we know for certain is the year group theyr in.